Protesters break into Microsoft data center site in Amsterdam
Posted by novaRom 6 hours ago
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Comment by returnInfinity 2 hours ago
All the AI Job loss narrative doesn't help, but attracts the wrath.
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Comment by hagbard_c 5 hours ago
Journalisten ter plaatse zijn geslagen om te voorkomen dat er beelden werden gemaakt van de actie, die georganiseerd is door Geef Tegengas. deze actiegroep wordt gesteund door klimaatbeweging Fossielvrij, Actiegroep ZO, DeGoedeZaak, Leitmotiv, XR en Scientists for Future.
That translates to *journalists were beaten up to keep images from the action from coming out. The action is organised by 'Geef Tegengas' (loosely translates to 'resist', literally 'give counter-gas') which is supported by 'Klimaatbeweging Fossielvrij', 'Actiegroep ZO', 'DeGoedeZaak' ('the good cause', i.e. the omnicause), Leitmotiv, XR (Extinction Rebellion, high-brow climate hysterics who regularly block motorways in the Netherlands) and 'Scientists for Future'.
Wanna bet they all pranced around with their fruit phones to record their 'rebellion'?
There's plenty of ways in the Netherlands to protest without beating up journos since a large fraction of the press tends to be on activists' side, double so for the public broadcaster NOS. They're just doing it this way because they want to be 'radical' and see themselves as 'revolutionaries' for 'the cause'. They're spoiled brats, the lot of them, playing Che Guevara in the knowledge that the Dutch authorities tend to let them off anyway.
[edit: deleted double post, that's what you get trying to post from a train in Germany where mobile networks should be declared endangered species. Quo Vadis, Wirtschaftswunder?]
Comment by AnimalMuppet 5 hours ago
Seems like bad tactics.
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Comment by tekla 4 hours ago
The nicer people will tell you to fuck off with the cameras.
The less nicer people will break your camera and/or beat you.
Comment by hagbard_c 4 hours ago
What you're describing is not protest but vandalism. The first is allowed, the second is not. That is what I said after all, that this rabble did not 'walk the path'.
Comment by tekla 3 hours ago
These people don't care if its vandalism, its morally righteous to them, and so its not vandalism, its a humanistic protest.
Comment by xg15 4 hours ago
Ah yes, "rabble".
And I have no idea what an "OmniCause" is.
Comment by spwa4 5 hours ago
Besides to stop the job losses, all they really need to do is to stop the Dutch government from saving money on labor (and to stop or at least reduce importing everything from labor to software). Of course, knowing the Dutch government ... good luck. What I mean is, the problem here is not AI.
In fact AI can solve so many problems for these protestors, they just know, and I kind of agree with them here, their own government, democratic or not, will use AI against its citizens. And it being the Dutch government, especially against paying its citizens a decent wage, but also in many other ways.
The fix for this is not "stop AI". It's a decent social contract, AND it's the government actually obeying its own laws. Like national insurance actually forcing doctors to use police data in treatment decisions. Or should we call that what it actually is: the government forbidding and persecuting medical doctors for treating people for a number of things based on interactions with the police. Everything from drug arrests to being illegally in the country. It should be called that because with a national insurance, of course the insurance is just a proxy for the government, not an actual company that makes its own decisions. And once you persecute doctors for something, it isn't really their choice anymore either.
Comment by xg15 4 hours ago
I mean, the data center they were protesting is literally built, operated and owned by Microsoft.
I agree, AI as a technology is here to stay in some form, but wouldn't you be a little pissed if some foreign company takes your data, builds a data center in your community without you having any control, puts you out of a job and then sells your own knowledge back to you?
Doesn't sound very sovereign to me.
(Not to start with the whole angle that the AI goldrush undoes what little progress in fighting climate change was archieved)
Comment by spwa4 3 hours ago
You notice I was claiming what they're doing makes no sense. What they're angry about is AI stealing jobs. And yes, Microsoft is not the problem in the labor market in the Netherlands.
Comment by ctmlr 4 hours ago
Obviously the threat of prosecution wasn't enough of a deterrence so now what?
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Comment by xg15 4 hours ago
We didn't have an equivalent election here yet.
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Say what? Shift-4 gives me $, on a perfectly standard US keyboard.
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