September in Servo: <progress>, rounded rectangles, and more
Posted by iamnothere 1 day ago
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Comment by porphyra 20 hours ago
But it seems really hard for it to get anywhere just based on occasional contributions from volunteers. I was actually quite surprised that basic functionality like <progress> and the :checked attribute were not even supported prior to this release.
Servo got 527 commits, while Chromium has over 20,000 commits.
Comment by jpfr 9 minutes ago
Maybe, hopefully, Rust allows to maintain a more safe browser at less than 20,000 commits per month.
We will see the maintenance effort after achieving 100% WPT. And whether they can close the performance gap by Rust-enabled safe concurrency...
Comment by btown 20 hours ago
> Can I submit a PR that includes code generated by AI tools?
> No. This includes (but is not limited to) all generative AI tools like Claude, Codex, ChatGPT, Cursor, Gemini, and Windsurf.
For something like a browser, this de facto limits the set of people who can contribute to something that touches the layout engine (e.g. the ineffable but brilliant https://github.com/servo/servo/blob/main/components/layout/f...) to just those already familiar with the code.
A much better middle ground IMO would be to quarantine first-time committers behind an AI-generated-PRs-will-not-be-reviewed policy, but to allow those who understand and respect the cycle enough to get PRs accepted, to begin using AI to give the team leverage. Without some kind of policy like that, Servo's sadly going to fall behind literally any other open-source project that people could dedicate their time towards.
Comment by fabrice_d 19 hours ago
Comment by alfiedotwtf 9 hours ago
Now, in 2026 I’m excited by LLMs because the combo of Rust+AI is literally an unstoppable force..
It’s a shame they’re building the Lamborghini of rendering engines but refuse to source parts unless it’s delivered on horseback
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Comment by cowlevel 12 hours ago
By the time you understand it you shouldn't need AI to write changes. First-time committers are the ones most likely to use AI.
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Comment by darkamaul 19 hours ago
Based on the tool listed here, you can probably know when this policy was first written. For instance, Windsurf is long gone and Cursor is not tier 1 anymore.
Crazy to think how much the space of AI coding agent has evolved in less than 2 years.
Comment by porphyra 19 hours ago
[1] https://github.com/servo/book/commit/5afb80d5b08b259ca359cfe...
Comment by nextaccountic 5 hours ago
In 2024 the tools were severely lacking. Today they work better (if subpar and verbose), but put an undue burden on reviewers (which are already in short supply)
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Comment by LeFantome 2 hours ago
The design of Ladybird follows the web standards closely as well. It is going to be quite different from older engines. And the code is quite organized, if your concern is AI slop from layers and layers of AI added features. I do not think that is how they are using it at all.
My biggest gripe with Ladybird is that they adopted some pretty large components written by Google. You cannot really use Skia and say that you do not rely on Google as an example.
Not relying on Google was their big selling point, since every other browser is Google-dependent.
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Comment by eyjafjallajokul 13 hours ago
Well, I mean Servo was the original catalyst and production use-case for Rust back in 2012. Both are products of the work of various folks at Mozilla around the time.
Comment by throwup238 13 hours ago
Comment by dnautics 3 hours ago
Why? Beacuse of memory safety?
It's a shame that there aren't other memory safe low-level options that don't come with the rest of the baggage of rust, or try out different paradigms, for example: not defaulting to malloc (and having other allocator options that aren't painful), not using trait-based shared behavior, not using macros, no turbofish, object orientation (for those who partake), etc.
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Comment by fabrice_d 10 hours ago
- Servo b88af263d11e12288ff3eca0848aaa675d6a52f0: 21.4
- Chrome 157: 60.9
- Safari 27.2: 59.2
- Firefox 159: 41.0
So between 2x and 3x slower than the current "big 3".
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Comment by orangeboats 9 hours ago
>v8 is fast because it emits assembly
It emits machine code afaik. And secondly, do you _really_ want to implement the intermediate layers of a JIT in assembly?
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Comment by shakna 22 hours ago
As an on-again off-again project, I've been building an incremental game that is pretty much just hundreds of progress bars - a little bit out of the norm for the browser.
Firefox everything renders smoothly and gently.
Chrome chugs, skips paints, delays animation frames, skips some events, and batches others.
Game uses a few features that aren't in Servo yet... But maybe I can tweak it...
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Comment by amelius 1 day ago
Do they allow vibe-coded contributions?
Comment by simonw 1 day ago
> Contributions must not include content generated by large language models or other probabilistic tools, including but not limited to Copilot or ChatGPT. This policy covers code, documentation, pull requests, issues, comments, and any other contributions to the Servo project.
> For now, we’re taking a cautious approach to these tools due to their effects — both unknown and observed — on project health and maintenance burden. This field is evolving quickly, so we are open to revising this policy at a later date, given proposals for particular tools that mitigate these effects.
The references to ChatGPT and Copilot suggest it was authored before the Codex and Claude Code revolution. I wonder if they'll revise it at some point soon.
Update: looks like that language was originally added in July 2024: https://github.com/servo/book/commit/5afb80d5b08b259ca359cfe...
I found a discussion about changing it in April 2025, but they decided to keep it the same at that point: https://github.com/servo/servo/discussions/36379
Comment by kykat 1 day ago
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Comment by tcdent 1 day ago
Have been using it as the render backend on an experimental tablet OS and its quite capable once you fix the font rendering.
Would gladly upstream contributions but I dont type anymore.
Comment by phkahler 1 day ago
With an official automated test suite that they aim to pass, someone could probably set Claude loose on closing out those bugs and feature gaps. Assuming AI can figure out why tests fail (it probably can) I'd give it about a day to finish. Actually maybe a week since it'd be compiling RUST. Would the resulting code be of the same quality? Probably not. Would it be good? Maybe.
Comment by nicoburns 1 day ago
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Comment by matkoniecz 1 day ago
are there serious projects welcoming vibe-coded PRs?
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Comment by matkoniecz 7 hours ago
feel free to make one
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Comment by domenkozar 1 day ago
Feels like a missed opportunity where we could take a giant leap forward.
Comment by porphyra 20 hours ago
But even in June 2026 they reiterated this ban and added CI checks to automatically reject AI-coauthored patches [1].
> For developers of Servo itself, please note that per project policy, you must not use the output of large language models or other generative AI tools in your contributions. To help us enforce that, we now have CI checks that reject AI agents as coauthors (@SimonSapin, @delan, #44723).
Comment by nerdypepper 1 day ago
that being said, i entirely respect their decision of course, perhaps they will revisit at a later point in time!
Comment by nicoburns 1 day ago
My experience is that it varies greatly by feature.
Something like border styles, the agent was able to do pretty effectively. Although it still took a few hours iterating on it to get the performance characteristics and edge cases right.
More complex features like hoisting position absolute nodes and other layout features still take days to weeks of iterating to get something usable that isn't so fragile it'll blow up the next time you touch something.
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Comment by matkoniecz 1 day ago
seems entirely reasonable reason and approach, and I see no reason to force everyone approach LLM in the same way
Comment by iknowstuff 23 hours ago
But as maintainers we (I don’t work on servo, but other projects) know that obviously people use AI anyway.
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