Residential proxies detected on White House network

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Comment by dhosek 2 hours ago

They’re too polite to say it explicitly, but when they say:

> Most of the activity happens in the evening, Eastern time: about half of it falls between 5 p.m. and midnight, and almost none happens in the early morning. That pattern suggests a person rather than a public guest Wi-Fi network: someone regularly on the White House network late into the evening, whose device is infected with a proxy SDK. Our data shows the exits, not the device or the person behind them.

There really aren’t very many candidates for who that person might be and it really seems like it would be someone who, I don’t know, maybe lives where the traffic is originating.

Comment by dpark 2 hours ago

A lot of people work at the White House. Many of them doubtless work a night shift. The set of candidates here is actually quite large.

Comment by devindotcom 2 hours ago

the show that came out recently, The Residence, while obviously fiction, made me think about the white house as a semi-public event venue in near constant use by dozens if not hundreds of people. It made for an interesting setting for a whodunit.

Comment by CGMthrowaway 1 hour ago

Of course it is. It's "The People's House." Look up the Great Cheese Levy of 1837, Lincoln's Office Hours, Coolidge's reception on New Years 1927 or Jackie Kennedy literally giving an "MTV Cribs" on TV in 1962. Or consider, if you can remember, the outcry when they permanently closed Pennslvania Avenue in 1995. Or when they closed Lafayette Square in 2020.

Comment by samudrijan 59 minutes ago

There used to be around the clock anti-nuclear vigils in Peace Park, with soup kitchens feeding folks who lived at their signs.

Comment by mrandish 54 minutes ago

> A lot of people work at the White House.

I'm no expert but even I've read that "Works at the White House" is bigger than the executive residence and oval office, including the West Wing and the big office building that's directly connected to it by basement walkways. The National Security Council maintains 24-hour watch operations in the Situation Room (which is more a 'complex' than 'room'), while regional desk officers routinely work late evenings to overlap with morning business hours in Europe and Asia.

I asked Gemini if my recollection was correct and got: "The EOP network (managed by the EOP Office of Administration in coordination with Presidential Information Technology Community entities like the White House Communications Agency) operates as a single campus enterprise network. Its high-speed backbone links the West Wing, the EEOB, the East Wing, and nearby administrative facilities such as the New Executive Office Building (NEOB) on 17th Street."

So, definitely an issue that there's a device with some rogue malware installed but the total workforce across all shifts at the White House Complex is roughly between 2,500 and 4,000.

Comment by cozzyd 6 minutes ago

it is easy to correlate with known public travel...

Comment by EA-3167 7 minutes ago

If it keeps happening I think that at least suggests the source is someone or some people who are “above the rules” most people would be bound by. You can tell the cleaning crew to get off the damned WiFi, others not so much.

Comment by eloisius 1 hour ago

But if you’re the cleaning staff at the White House do you just get on the WiFi?

Comment by nomel 4 minutes ago

Do you believe the availability of wifi for staff is somehow unreasonable?

Comment by dpark 1 hour ago

No idea. I’ve never been to the White House. For all I know they have an Potus WiFi and Aides WiFi and a EndlessFoxNewsAndRacistMemes WiFi. Maybe there’s also a Peasant WiFi for the cleaning staff and press corps.

Comment by nxobject 8 minutes ago

Well, there's certainly still a DOGE Starlink terminal up on the roof. (The one they didn't demolish.)

Comment by deskamess 2 hours ago

But countable.

Comment by __MatrixMan__ 1 hour ago

Not if you exclude the ones who behave as if the rules apply to them.

Comment by typeofhuman 57 minutes ago

Remember when they found literally a bag of cocaine in the White House last administration? I mean, how louder could one yell, "rules for thee"?

Comment by throwaway-blaze 1 minute ago

We're not allowed to say bad things about the _other_ guys. Bad things are only done by the current crop of inhabitants.

Comment by therein 2 hours ago

Could even be cleaning or security.

Comment by dpark 2 hours ago

As someone elsewhere in the thread noted, this could well be the press. Could also be that this isn’t the White House network at all despite that attribution.

Comment by xp84 1 hour ago

Right, we know the White House owns that public IP, but this could be as bad as an unsecured, unmanaged device that is joined to a private network that is supposed to be secured, OR, on the “all the way good” side, that IP could be the exit for a completely throwaway, untrusted, isolated LAN segment meant only for some iOT device and which has no route to any other peer on the LAN side, and some civilian who has access to that for work brought in his laptop with a “free VPN!” Plugin and joined it to that network because it’s all he had credentials for.

Comment by ajcp 1 hour ago

Even at midnight I can't imagine there being less than 100 people working at the WH in various capacities. While it's probably not the duty/desk officers in the Situation Room/Security Council, there are plenty of maintenance staff that work at night. 5-midnight seems like it overlaps perfectly with a shift schedule.

Comment by jeremyjh 1 hour ago

But how many of them would risk their job by smuggling in a device that violates government policies? Every device in the White House should be accounted for and meeting a number of security criteria. There are really only two or three people there who would know that those rules don't apply to them.

Comment by jp_sc 1 hour ago

They are not saying that is _on purpose_, in fact they are saying the opposite: a compromised device, could be even an Android phone. It could also be as device planted on purpose, of course.

Comment by tclancy 59 minutes ago

You’re misreading what this says. It’s someone bringing in a device they managed to get infected.

Oh and also the part where no one has caught this internally which is possibly the bigger takeaway. It’s a zero-trust network made out of incompetence.

Comment by skipkey 23 minutes ago

Eh, I would not be surprised if they have a separate wifi that guests can use and you can hook up your private devices to. Basically every large company i have worked for, for the last two decades had that. I suspect deep in the bowels of the White House you don’t get good reception.

Comment by what 57 minutes ago

Why are you assuming the person knows and is actively smuggling in the device? And why would you then assume that person is more significant than a shift worker there?

Comment by shrubble 7 minutes ago

There’s at least 500 people on just the staff of the White House, not including many others who work nearby.

Comment by abofh 4 minutes ago

With the authority to walk in with a streaming stick, plug it into a TV and connect to WiFi!

Comment by ggm 16 minutes ago

If you regard 1,000 or less people as few, then this is true. If you regard 1,000 people as "too many" then you rate the national security of the USA at the cost of 1 in 1000 means it's not worth bothing to find out.

Is that really how national security works?

Comment by gcollard- 2 hours ago

Or the cleaning or security staff working the night shift.

Comment by what 1 hour ago

There’s a ton of people it could be. Any staffer that works 5-12, which wouldn’t be a particularly weird shift for cooks, cleaners, etc that bring their infected phone with them.

If it was someone who lived there it wouldn’t be exclusively that time period. Why wouldn’t it happen overnight or in the morning or any other time of day?

Comment by poopiokaka 1 hour ago

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Comment by lakeviewterrace 1 hour ago

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Comment by what 55 minutes ago

Basically the worst of Reddit is here now.

Comment by lakeviewterrace 38 minutes ago

With all the recent changes, they are actually encouraging each other to migrate here — I've seen the comments. It's no longer a myth.

Comment by RockRobotRock 1 hour ago

Yeah dude you’re right Trump bought an android tv from banggood and got pwned. You’re a genius.

Comment by buildsjets 4 minutes ago

He never buys what he can grift for free. Probably a gift from some autocrat in exchange for politcal favors. Much like the Great Seal bug.

Comment by btown 4 hours ago

The danger here, of course, is that while these compromised devices are currently being monetized in a relatively benign way (other than bandwidth costs to the user, which to be sure can be nontrivial)… it would be naive to assume that there isn't a Command and Control capability that can assign less benign tasking - or can be compromised to do so.

This also puts some of the troubling reports that politicians were bringing phones into SCIFs into context…

Comment by mzajc 4 hours ago

> benign

On a server that used to get below 1k HTTP requests a day, I've had several cases of mass scraping from these botnets exceeding 100req/s. The web is getting harder and harder to use due to all the anti-bot mechanisms site operators had to put up.

How is DDOSing every site on the web benign?

Comment by nucleardog 3 hours ago

Relatively benign.

A compromised device inside the White House network could presumably be doing something _much_ worse than participating in a DDOS against random websites.

Comment by lakeviewterrace 3 hours ago

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Comment by hackernud3s 3 hours ago

Apparently they do not though.

Comment by Terr_ 3 hours ago

There were experts but the Republican White House fired them:

https://techcrunch.com/2025/03/11/doge-axes-cisa-red-team-st...

Perhaps some of them annoyed the President's illegally-appointed mega-donor, if they spoke out against giving root access to all his unvetted junior flunkies.

Comment by FireBeyond 3 hours ago

The same junior flunkies who would do things like go to government agencies, create administrative accounts, which would then, often with minutes, be seen connecting from Russia and Eastern Europe with the correct credentials.

Comment by trismus 2 hours ago

Source?

Comment by adzm 2 hours ago

> Daniel J. Berulis, a cybersecurity architect with the NLRB, filed a whistleblower complaint alleging that within 15 minutes of DOGE team members creating new user credentials and demanding administrative access, multiple login attempts using those exact credentials originated from a Russian IP address

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/15/nx-s1-5355896/doge-nlrb-elon-...

Comment by Terr_ 2 hours ago

Oh come on, search-engines have gone downhill, but not that far downhill! You already know it involves "DOGE" and "Russia" and "credentials", that ought to be enough:

> Berulis alleged in the affidavit that there attempted logins to NLRB systems from an IP address in Russia in the days after DOGE accessed the systems. He told Reuters Tuesday that the attempted logins apparently included correct username and password combinations but were rejected by location-related conditional access policies.

* https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/whistleblow...

* https://www.npr.org/2025/04/15/nx-s1-5355896/doge-nlrb-elon-...

Comment by what 52 minutes ago

> often

You have one alleged example.

Comment by Terr_ 40 minutes ago

> You have one alleged example.

That sounds like being deliberately obtuse and arguing in bad-faith. Are you going to "nuh uh" all the journalists and lawyers until you are personally given raw TCP dumps?

Behold, from the sworn affidavit from network security staff as included in a whistleblower disclosure to Congress [0]:

> There were more than 20 such attempts, and what is particularly concerning is that many of these login attempts occurred within 15 minutes of the accounts being created by DOGE engineers.

So there it is, now don't go moving the goalposts.

[0] https://whistlebloweraid.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/2025...

Comment by manyatoms 3 hours ago

I'd be stunned if they're paying anywhere near enough to attract top talent

Comment by dhosek 2 hours ago

I applied to USDS in 2023, the process took nearly a year and ended with them just ghosting me after two interview rounds. Pay was capped (by law) below my target salary but at a level that I would accept as it would have been fully remote, but there was also a term limit on the job which meant I would have at most two years in the position.

It’s not just the pay, there’s a lot of structural elements that mean that the potential talent pool is less than desired.

Comment by vlan0 3 hours ago

Th best folks I know wouldn't touch a government job, no matter the pay.

Comment by fhub 2 hours ago

There was a period of time where it seemed (as an outsider) that they were attracting good talent. This was when Megan Smith was CTO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan_Smith.

Comment by alt227 2 hours ago

Dont they usually bargain work against jailtime for domestic cyber criminals?

Comment by 2III7 3 hours ago

Read "This is how they tell me the world ends".

Or let me sum it up for you. The government doesn't have the money to employ top security experts and top security experts don't actually want to work for the government.

Comment by altairprime 3 hours ago

Sometimes, top security experts often can’t work for the U.S. government even if they do want to due to being ineligible for security clearance from checks notes gender and sexuality mistrust, non-zero drug usage lifetime to date, formerly grayhats, have ever sought mental health care, and/or anti-authoritarian viewpoints.

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Comment by lakeviewterrace 2 hours ago

To be fair, the track record for mentally unwell people in positions of trust isn't great.

Comment by dylan604 2 hours ago

Before the most recent elections, people voted for an unwell person to lead the country. So it's not just someone can obtain the position, but that people actually chose to put one in office. Twice. Although, it was less well known on the first one.

Comment by StilesCrisis 1 hour ago

"Saw a therapist once" =/= "unwell."

In fact avoiding therapy at all costs is a good sign of trouble.

Comment by maxbond 49 minutes ago

The track record for preventing people in positions of trust from seeking out mental health care is terrible. It's just brushing problems under the rug and waiting for them to turn rancid. Don't interpret not seeking help as the nonexistence of a problem, especially if their career depends on it.

Comment by altairprime 34 minutes ago

Does the Department of Defense still have a clearance disqual for ADHD?

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Comment by vlan0 3 hours ago

Bruh do you remember snowden? The government is HEAVILY sub-contracted. Accenture? Really? My guy...

Comment by NavinF 52 minutes ago

> 100req/s

While your server handles that, what does your CPU do with the other 99% of available cycles?

I run https://bunnystomp.com on an Always Free VM from a major cloud provider. It handles 1,930 req/s at 33 ms latency with no tuning/optimization. It's literally just python behind cloudflare.

Comment by mzajc 33 minutes ago

You seem to know a lot about my server. From what I could see, all cores were pinned to 100%, but maybe my budget AMD CPU is hiding fantastical amounts of compute from the kernel. I'd love to know how to make use of it.

I have no idea what the site you linked does, but it doesn't look like a cgit instance to me; that's what got hammered on my end, and one very quickly finds out that a lot of git operations are CPU-bound when hosting it.

Comment by BeetleB 2 hours ago

> The web is getting harder and harder to use due to all the anti-bot mechanisms site operators had to put up.

Indeed. I recently set up a bot on my local machine that I can interact with via Telegram. I gave it the ability to retrieve the contents of a URL via Playwright (with modifications). Basic things like getting the Readability view and getting the site as Markdown with links.

I was essentially mimicking the feature OpenAI etc offer where it can do a web search for you and get you the answer you seek. I just didn't want to pay a company for that feature.

It's not autonomous. It only acts when I tell it to. The actual search is via the Kagi API, but the URL contents is via Playwright. I also ensured it can't do lots of requests at a time. There's a mandatory (random) sleep of between 1 and 5 seconds between two requests.

In less than a week, I've been flagged. When I do a Google search (as a human), I have to prove I'm human. Many sites have simply blocked me - I can't buy stuff from various vendors[1], I cannot access several news sites, etc.

The thing is, I didn't really access that many sites with the bot! At most it's the equivalent of someone mildly addicted to the web. Yet they caught me quickly.

Obviously, I disabled the bot's capability to get site content. I wonder how long my IP will be in the blacklist.

I know some people will say "Good riddance" to the outcome and to what I did. I'd love to have a real, serious discussion on whether what I did was immoral. But whatever your thoughts on the matter, do ponder over the fact that the system has made it hard for average Joes like you and me to have this "feature", but if you pay a giant tech company a monthly fee, you can have it.

[1] Thankfully, Amazon didn't block me. In the past I'd avoid them, but now I'm in the dilemma where I don't want to buy stuff from sites that make it difficult for me to buy stuff from them!

Comment by itishappy 1 hour ago

I don't think this is an immoral application at all from your description, but would that be clear on the receiving end?

Comment by cowlevel 45 minutes ago

Just restart your home router to rotate your IP address.

Comment by qlte 28 minutes ago

That is entirely ISP dependent and many don't actually work like that. Your cable modem gets a specific IP for as long as Comcast or whoever sees fit, restarting does nothing on the WAN side.

Comment by cyanydeez 2 hours ago

Compared to, russian intel scraping beyond demented word of mouth.

Comment by _alternator_ 2 hours ago

I'll just note that "compromised" is perhaps too strong. These services often come from VPN plugins (eg Hola VPN) that lets users watch sports from different restricted geographic regions. There is a trade here that's in the TOs: you get someone else's IP address, they get yours.

Comment by jeremyjh 1 hour ago

Compromised describes exactly what you are talking about. Any free rider on a network that the operator is unaware of means the device is compromised.

Comment by tclancy 56 minutes ago

What part of that isn’t technically “compromised”? You can argue there’s no evidence of it currently being weaponized but I’d say some shitbird running a free vpn inside the White House is not a good look regardless.

Comment by cowlevel 44 minutes ago

We'd need a pedantic definition of "compromised" to be sure

Comment by lesuorac 4 hours ago

> This also puts some of the troubling reports that politicians were bringing phones into SCIFs into context…

I mean politicians are so addicted to twitter the nsa makes special phones…

Comment by dylan604 2 hours ago

Not sure which direction you're intending this. The NSA is making special phones to protect politicians, or to make it easier to ensure they can read everything?

Comment by za_creature 2 hours ago

Por que no los dos?

It's always better to protect politicians from someone else

Comment by lesuorac 2 hours ago

Politicians bringing phones isn’t a scif isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

Comment by YeahThisIsMe 3 hours ago

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Comment by dylan604 2 hours ago

Why are you so surprised that the US gov't is being spied on? Of course they are. Why/how could you ever suspect they would not be? How Polyanna can one be to think this way?

Comment by senordevnyc 3 hours ago

Why would you assume everyone in the world gives a shit about this?

Comment by lakeviewterrace 3 hours ago

So they don't actually know what this network is, just who owns the IP space... time for a blog post to advertise our week-old service!

There is no evidence that physically ties this to the WH. It could be in a security lab for all they know. Or a guest network for the news media.

Comment by Terr_ 3 hours ago

> There is no evidence that physically ties this to the WH.

They don't need to be physically inside a specific building to be a networking security problem.

The core issue is whether an outsider has bypassed your firewall and can send+receive traffic from a node which is getting more trust than it deserves. If they've compromised the computer's microphone/camera/wifi-control that's an additional problem.

Comment by lakeviewterrace 2 hours ago

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Comment by itishappy 1 hour ago

"We don't know where the devices that appear to have breached the WH network are located. For all we know, they could be in Beijing or Moscow."

That seems significantly worse.

Comment by 1e1a 3 hours ago

Perhaps ping time measurements could help identify where the devices are physically located.

Comment by 0cf8612b2e1e 2 hours ago

If you were really sneaky, could you add some small jitter to the network responses to make it more difficult to locate?

Comment by cowlevel 43 minutes ago

No. You would need to add hundreds of milliseconds depending on the sender's location.

Comment by bronco21016 4 hours ago

Gotta have your SuperBox set up to watch 24 hr cable news working late into the night.

Comment by Tangurena2 3 hours ago

For those who don't know what this is, here's a decent podcast about it:

https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/172/

There's a transcript if you want to read, not listen. At the start, you'll be "hey! I gotta get me one!" and later you'll be like "burn it with fire!"

Comment by mryijum 1 hour ago

Interesting! According to this, a lot more going on beyond the residential proxy element, which was the only bit I had considered (or heard about). I wish there was an accompanying article with some more specifics.

Comment by thenthenthen 11 minutes ago

I aso would like a technical deepdive, the transcript comes out as not very well informed and borderline conspiratorial.

“ Most of the infected devices were manufactured in China. ” uh… most devices are manufactured in China period. Very strange article/podcast.

Comment by JTbane 4 hours ago

I have seen these at mall kiosks advertising "free cable", and today I learned they are proxying from your home network.

Comment by cowlevel 42 minutes ago

That is the least bad thing they could do btw. Unless your internet is data restricted, go for it if you want free cable. If questioned by your ISP (extremely unlikely but theoretically possible) pretend you have no idea what they're talking about.

Firewall it from your local network if you want to - it'll still work - they're not after that.

Comment by drnick1 50 minutes ago

Absolutely, and this is why I refuse to run connected devices on my network that do run software I can reasonably trust. This is also why every computer, phone or appliance I own runs Linux. This includes my TV box, which I recently migrated to an x86 port of Android with Claude's help.

Comment by thehodge 4 hours ago

That was the first thing I thought of!

Comment by ethagnawl 2 hours ago

A friend in Texas claims they recently bought one at Wal-Mart. I don't know anything about how these work but that can't be true ... right?

Comment by mplewis 2 hours ago

It's absolutely true, these are sold all over the place

Comment by hackernud3s 3 hours ago

Those are better than residential proxies. Those are White House proxies. I would pay $10/GB for those babies.

Comment by BLKNSLVR 2 hours ago

Those proxies are paid for in rubles, not dollars.

Comment by 9dev 1 hour ago

They are (p)residential proxies really

Comment by mrefish 3 hours ago

Executive residential proxies

Comment by seethishat 3 hours ago

I have T-mobile 5g. My IP shows up as a residential proxy. I can't control the T-Mobile 5g device. It's a black-box. And, I only have one Linux desktop on the home network (so no Windows/Mac malware).

Not sure why my IP is listed as a residential proxy.

Comment by hetspookjee 3 hours ago

There’s only that many ipv4 addresses and I believe all 5G are shared ones. That’s why they’re among the most valuable ip ranges for scraping. You can’t just naively ban that IP or you’ll ban a large group of users

Comment by BLKNSLVR 2 hours ago

You certainly can ban that IP.

It should be a balancing act though, somewhere between what you said and my first sentence.

Rate limiting, or additional layers of input sanitisation for IP addresses known to have been malicious in the past.

It's unfortunate that good users will have to endure some difficulties because of bad users on the same network, but if security is the priority, then measures must be taken, you shouldn't just leave to door open to potentially known bad users / traffic.

IPv4 is a shared resource, but some ranges have worse reputations than others, and all are owned by organisations that have the ability to monitor and filter for malicious traffic. It gets into a fraught discussion about censorship, but it is possible for network owners to monitor for, and block / restrict traffic detected as 'bad'. It's just a matter of cost and scale, and those that put the effort in should have their users rewarded with fewer 'trust-issues' roadblocks.

Comment by sva_ 3 hours ago

Not sure about US but where I live I can manually set the access point of my phones mobile network and it gives me a unique ipv4 (new one each time in fact)

Comment by ofcrpls 3 hours ago

You might just be experiencing T-Mobile's CGNAT on mobile broadband?

Comment by cannonpalms 1 hour ago

T-Mobile esp. their 5G network is behind CGNAT

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Comment by walrus01 3 hours ago

You're almost certainly behind a cgnat shared with a bunch of compromised/residential proxy running phones and other traffic.

Comment by cowlevel 40 minutes ago

Or ones who are running it knowingly to make money. Can that even be called a compromise?

Comment by reactordev 57 minutes ago

I fear this is just the tip of the iceberg. It's the WH's own TOR node for any paying customer. It's manchurian candidate. It makes Clinton's emails look like ice cream.

Comment by j2kun 4 hours ago

Out of curiosity, how would I check my own device for a residential proxy?

Comment by randomblock1 3 hours ago

Scroll down to "anonymization": https://ipinfo.io/what-is-my-ip

If there's anything there, monitor your network to figure out exactly what

Comment by zahlman 1 hour ago

Freaky. They have a page explaining the concept (https://ipinfo.io/data/residential-proxy); when I checked it, there was a FOUC showing a full-screen, stretched image of what I think was Dario Amodei's face.

Comment by masfuerte 3 hours ago

It lists VPN, Proxy, Tor, etc. Presumably a minus sign in a circle means you don't have the thing?

Comment by beepbooptheory 3 hours ago

I had same confusion for a second but the html does clear it up: yes, it means you don't have the thing.

   <li class="...">
     <div class="...">
       <div class="..."></div>
     </div>
     <span class="text-sm">Residential Proxy</span>
     <span class="sr-only">Not detected</span>
   </li>

Comment by Retr0id 3 hours ago

Neat. I almost said "surely this will only detect if your internet connection is itself being routed through a residential proxy", and then I realised that's effectively the same thing!

Comment by advisedwang 3 hours ago

AFAIU that tells you if your access to ipinfo.io is thru a residential proxy, not if somebody else is using a residential proxy on your network.

Comment by Retr0id 3 hours ago

It's effectively the same thing. If a residential proxy is running on your network, your IP will soon become known as a residential proxy exit.

Comment by nostrademons 3 hours ago

It detects if your IP is a residential proxy, not if you are using a residential proxy. From the perspective of the outside Internet, they are the same thing, the only one who cares about the difference is you.

Comment by 0cf8612b2e1e 4 hours ago

Fantastic question. There is so much IOT garbage out there that someone might slip into my network, what can I do to easily detect it?

I was aghast when my partner connected a pet watering bowl to the WiFi.

Comment by doublepg23 3 hours ago

My most worrisome IoT device I have on my network is a digital picture frame my wife connected, but I was surprised the company routinely updates it even though it's on Android 6 (!).

https://support.frameo.com/hc/en-us/articles/23433637149842-...

Comment by zahlman 1 hour ago

… TIL such things exist. I assume it's networking so that it can grab photos to display from "the cloud" somewhere, and periodically change?

Comment by itishappy 58 minutes ago

Yes. Smart frames often provide an endpoint where friends or family can send photos that will be automatically added to the rotation.

Great gifts! (At least for those unconcerned with privacy or security, which is most people.)

Comment by cowlevel 39 minutes ago

I suggest you just firewall it away from your important machines and then don't worry about it.

Comment by Retr0id 4 hours ago

Watch egress at the router for anything unaccounted for, tbh.

Comment by OJFord 1 hour ago

I've never heard the term 'residential proxy' before, but it seems like a Tailscale exit node would qualify for example? This doesn't seem necessarily malicious or even inadvertently dangerous to me?

Comment by oasisbob 1 hour ago

Residential IP addresses tend to have better reputations than datacenter networks, so there are providers who sell access to home internet connections. Oftentimes the people running the proxies have no idea they're running on their network, they're quasi malicious.

https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/threat-intelligence/goo...

Comment by rcxdude 1 hour ago

Generally not really. Residential proxies are services that can provide customers with the ability to send and receive traffic from a wide range of apparently legitimate networks (i.e. people's home internet connections). Almost always this is done without the informed consent of the person who owns the device that is used as a proxy, whether it be buried in some agreement somewhere or just outright malware.

The biggest danger is that said proxies can also allow access to internal networks, and as you might guess from how they are installed, are not usually operated by the most scrupulous of organizations.

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Comment by itishappy 1 hour ago

It's pretty much exactly a Tailscale exit node, just one that somebody else installed without your knowledge or consent.

Comment by TZubiri 1 hour ago

it’s a well known term in shady markets of the internet, they allow users and abusers to bypass bans and create multiple accounts that cannot be linked with each other by networking intel

Comment by cowlevel 38 minutes ago

And bypass restrictions that are keeping data paywalled as well.

Comment by dools 7 minutes ago

But … HER EMAILS!!

Comment by skinfaxi 43 minutes ago

This site is barely a year old. Where is the data and proof? What is the methodology?

Comment by anpat 4 hours ago

How would one detect this on their home network and protect themselves from?

Comment by blacksmith_tb 4 hours ago

Step one, find your public IP, I like ipinfo.io but there are many other services that will show it. Then pop it into a tool like the one that's hosting TFA[1]

1: https://layer3intel.com/context

Comment by therein 2 hours ago

There is also iphub.info and iphunter.info.

In my experience, out of the two, iphunter.info has the more comprehensive database, I think the owner/operator frequents HN.

Comment by EvanAnderson 4 hours ago

Unexpected traffic would be the biggest gross red flag. If it constrains itself to moving traffic when it's otherwise perform its desired function (if it's one of those "free TV" boxes and it only proxies when you're playing video) it might be hard to tease-out the unwanted traffic purely looking at bytes in/out.

Beyond that gross metric you're getting into capturing traffic and decoding it.

Comment by tom1337 4 hours ago

Check network traffic from smart devices would be a good start. If your TV does gigabytes of traffic in the night when you don’t use it, it most likely is acting as a residential proxy.

Comment by mongrelion 4 hours ago

What is a residential proxy?

Comment by ZoneZealot 4 hours ago

It's described at a high level in media often. Here's more detail though:

Person buys a product, or downloads some software - that unknowing to them, was reaching out to a central server elsewhere to establish a network tunnel. And over that tunnel, the other server routes traffic onto that person's home network. Which can then of course go onto the internet, and it appears like the traffic originated from their home internet connection.

Other people rent access to this network. The goal being, you have surreptitious access to appear as any one of tens of thousands of home network IP addresses on the public internet. Bad guys can use this to rotate through many different IP addresses when their access gets blocked because of malicious (or benign but unwanted) behavior on the internet. Residential IP addresses are more 'valuable' because they don't have the negative connotation that datacentre and commercial IPs can have, and they can be spread geographically or across many ISPs.

A very common way for people being a part of these residential proxy networks is by buying dodgy streaming boxes, and also installing shady apps on TV app marketplaces.

Comment by cpburns2009 3 hours ago

This isn't a theoretical problem either. My employer's website was being hammered by residential proxies a month ago. It wasn't until we setup WAF captcha rules that they mostly subsided. It wasn't even the typical exploit scanner. I don't know what the purpose was but it was effectively a DDoS.

Comment by cowlevel 38 minutes ago

Everyone's is. Far as anyone can tell, it's probably AI companies.

Comment by cpburns2009 14 minutes ago

It wasn't any sensible AI scraper. It kept requesting the same pages a thousand times over.

Comment by superjan 4 hours ago

I was expecting that VPN’s (maybe not all) also use their own customers as relays, but you don’t mention them. Am I wrong?

Comment by rcxdude 1 hour ago

It's definitely not all VPNs (typically the ones you pay for will buy their own hardware and internet connections in the places you can route your traffic through), but it is a common situation for the shadier (especially 'free') ones, and in that case it's usually not just a peer-to-peer thing, they make money by selling your connection to people who pay because they want a large pool of relatively reputable and disconnected IPs to send traffic through.

Comment by ZoneZealot 2 hours ago

You're right, a lot of 'free VPN' software also uses your own internet as a residential proxy. It's often mentioned in the ToS but the users don't read that.

Comment by dylan604 2 hours ago

Honestly, I expect any of those free VPN services that require an app install to be doing precisely this. At this point, I just assume anything with "free" in it will cost me more than if I just paid for something instead.

Comment by charcircuit 3 hours ago

That kind of VPN is considered a residential proxy.

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Comment by dormento 4 hours ago

It means some networked devices in there are being remotely piloted to tunnel network traffic to somewhere else. This scenario usually happens with more "unprofessional" ISPs, which sell bandwidth from their networked clients for people in need of such services.

Such as ignoring web scraping countermeasures, and DDoS.

Comment by rconti 3 hours ago

Some good answers in this thread. I had the same question but I'm still a tad confused:

* I initially thought this meant someone in the WH network was using commercial proxies to appear as if they were exiting from a different network (which would align with "some user is firing up a proxy on their phone to exit in a different location")

* But then the description of residential proxies seemed to align more with traffic hitting an endpoint in the White House, and _exiting_ from the network there. But this didn't explain the timing (why isn't it 24/7).

* Finally it sounds like some person, legitimately on the WH network, has a device (cell phone, TV, whatever) that, when activated, is proxying outside traffic into the WH network.

Comment by georgel 4 hours ago

There are companies that provide proxy services for scraping services, and residential proxies route through consumer networks (like Comcast) which is flagged less than a datacenter IP.

Many questionable TV streaming boxes pretend to deliver you video, but in reality they are also piggy backing on your personal ISP to power those companies.

Comment by microcode 4 hours ago

Even not so questionable TV's do this too. https://spur.us/blog/smart-tv-apps-residential-proxy-sdks

Comment by sparkling 4 hours ago

>Many questionable TV streaming boxes

+ Sketchy Apps

+ Malware

+ Weird Android Variants

Comment by RKearney 4 hours ago

The 4th sentence in the article has a link to What is a Residential Proxy?[0]

[0]: https://layer3intel.com/what-is-a-residential-proxy

Comment by hackernud3s 3 hours ago

They really should have said "botnet malware detected", it turns the White House into an exit IP for someone's else's botnet.

Comment by duiker101 4 hours ago

From the article:

> Residential proxy services sell access to everyday devices, letting customers send traffic through them so it appears to come from that device's network.

Comment by 2OEH8eoCRo0 4 hours ago

Essentially lets bad actors use your home network.

Comment by charcircuit 3 hours ago

Bad actors as defined by who. Why am I bad for not living in the right country to access a website.

Comment by derektank 3 hours ago

Because the person whose IP you’re using as an exit node probably hasn’t fully consented to it being used as such.

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Comment by whalesalad 4 hours ago

There are services you can pay for such that you can route internet traffic thru a specific IP in a specific part of the world. People (usually unwillingly and unknowingly) run software that effectively makes them part of a giant botnet. A computer running in Romania might have some kind of weather application or gambling/casino app that I could use to make an HTTP request as if I were on their network. So if you need access to 1,000 or 10,000 IP's to circumvent rate limits or perform crawling tasks, this is how you could do it.

Comment by gessha 4 hours ago

Second paragraph

Comment by cowlevel 49 minutes ago

Based. Can we turn every IP address that exists into a residential proxy, and then finally end this IP reputation stuff once and for all?

Comment by gdevenyi 3 hours ago

It would be really great to have some info about how to detect such things locally.

Comment by cowlevel 36 minutes ago

Step 1: have you installed anything from an app store such as Google Play or Apple's app store?

Step 2: have you bought any devices made by large companies like LG or Samsung?

Comment by threecheese 3 hours ago

"Infected with a proxy SDK" wouldn't be my first guess. Am I jaded? A realist?

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Comment by jefurii 3 hours ago

But her e-mail server!

Comment by pak9rabid 3 hours ago

Love me some buttery males

Comment by opengrass 4 hours ago

NSA honeypots

Comment by geephroh 2 hours ago

I would actually feel better if this were the case, but given that we have "the very best people" currently running our cybersecurity infrastructure I doubt it.

Most likely scenario is a 20-something holdover from DOGE who accidentally had his phone p0wned while downloading groyper memes.

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Comment by Bassiestroep 4 hours ago

I mean supply chain-attacks are everywhere. Smart-TV's with certain marketplace apps, IoT devices. Also, I'm surprised the white house's network is not monitored more.

Comment by thombat 4 hours ago

Monitoring is the easy part, remedying the problems has proved harder. From early in the first Trump administration:

https://lieu.house.gov/media-center/in-the-news/what-can-we-...

Comment by spiderfarmer 4 hours ago

That is not an environment for serious people anymore so that's expected.

Comment by killjoywashere 1 hour ago

Let's assume the worst, that it's a VIP. Ok, now let's do some basic frequency statistics:

If you click the AS2650 link (1) in the article, you will learn that AS2650 is announcing 65,792 addresses in 5 prefixes. Roughly 40-70% of the IP addresses in a typical corporate ASN are associated with actual computers humans are using. Let's go with 40%. You're looking at 26,317 people. Assume they're all adults (please, dear lord, let them all be adults). 3-8% of the workforce is in IT. Let's go with 3%, that's 789 people. I'm guessing one of those 789 folks has thought this through and has a few VLANs set up to keep VIP and family-of-VIP, pattern of life stuff in a box.

As for the thesis that these are all window-licking low-IQ goons, that's just not how the US government cultivates its workforce. It's no accident that Harvard Business School characterizes themselves as "the West Point of capitalism." West Point isn't someone else's anything. The US Government is in it for the long haul and captures folks young with impossible-to-resist opportunities like the military academies, ROTC, SMART scholars, etc. Let's just stick with the academies: 12,000 people a year who were likely competitive for the Ivies, Division 1 athletics, or both, but chose their parents poorly. Free, top tier education and a job is very attractive for kids from fly-over states. Hell, in big states like California, New York, and Texas, it can actually be even more competitive. Something north of 60% of those graduates stick around for at least 20 years of service (because the high three pension + VA benefits is a pretty nice floor for retirement when your options back home are line supervisor at the cotton mill, the sugar mill, the coal mine, or ramp manager for United), usually addicted to the crazy level of mission. Sort of the opposite of finance where people really struggle mentally if they're not making pallets of money at an accelerating rate. Government service pays dogshit, but the work can super interesting, especially as you gain seniority.

Those folks then often loop back into other agencies and do another 20 years. Are there goombas in the Government? Oh, for sure. Absolutely. But it's roughly the same fraction as any other workforce in the rest of the economy.

But by the time you get to top tier stuff like the White House staff, the sorting function has been strong. To make the point: you also see top tier folks in other organizations with government stink on them. I can think of at least two directors at Google who are prior military. A fat pile of McKinsey folks. Something like 8% of Fortune 500 CEOs have served in the military, above the national average (6-7% of Americans have served in the military at some point).

And it's hilarious to watch people simultaneously assert the government is a bunch of idiots, and then get all excited about fighter pilots, the CIA, the CDC, ambassadors, the NIH. As though those people just appeared from the head of Zeus fully formed. Where do you think they worked when they were young? They were stamping visas for the Department of State in some embassy in central Asia. They were rolling blankets and digging wells in Gambia for the Peace Corps. Checking corporate filings for mostly unknown companies at SEC. Studying aerospace engineering at Embry Riddle and then flying cleared checks between clearing houses across the state overnight in a Cessna.

(1) https://layer3intel.com/context/AS2650

Comment by JudahNyquist 4 hours ago

probably something IOT with a vulnerability, happens all the time.

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Comment by charcircuit 3 hours ago

>that poorly secured proxy SDKs can allow internal network access and lateral movement.

Let me guess. The SDK being used does properly handle this and this whole article is anti residential proxy FUD.

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Comment by 09712306130 4 hours ago

Seems like the president found a business opportunity and gave internal orders to rent out the network infrastructure to 'ethically sourced' providers :^) Jokes aside, might be some infected IoT crap.

I buy and use residential proxies, though.

Comment by sfmike 4 hours ago

Vibe coders really having fun on their side quests these days

Comment by vanyle 4 hours ago

Residential proxies are a very important part of the internet, they allow scraping for archiving, automation and can be used for extra anonymity.

While they have grown a bit too much, they are a natural response to the absurd amount of effort every website is pouring into anti-scraping tech.

Comment by 10111001 4 hours ago

> Residential proxies are a very important part of the internet, they allow scraping for archiving, automation and can be used for extra anonymity.

Aren't they almost always run unknowingly, by people tricked into running them?

Comment by dabbz 4 hours ago

There exist services that will pay you a fraction of money to host their residential proxy service on a computer you own. But I do think the majority of residential proxies are hijacked.

Comment by kube-system 3 hours ago

There are providers who claim they are ethically sourced, and that users have consented. Although I guess many are users who don't know or care that it is happening.

Ethically, if someone just wants to play a free game and doesn't care about it, is it okay? How knowledgable does a user have to be in order to have informed consent?

Comment by 10111001 3 hours ago

> There are providers who claim they are ethically sourced, and that users have consented. Although I guess many are users who don't know or care that it is happening.

Betcha that means there was "consent" language on page 55 of some click-through EULA.

Comment by kube-system 3 hours ago

The landscape spans the gamut of everything from malware to explicit consent: https://packetstream.io/share-bandwidth/

Comment by xyzzy_plugh 4 hours ago

Leveraging compromised devices is a very important part of the Internet??? This is an incredibly twisted perspective.

Help me understand. As far as I'm aware, these residential proxies are almost always malware.

Comment by lakeviewterrace 4 hours ago

"Malware is an important part of the Internet"

> and can be used for extra anonymity

Great, so you can conduct illegal transactions and have some unsuspecting grandma take the blame and have her front door kicked in?

Comment by timacles 3 hours ago

"Malware is an important part of the Internet

Technically correct statement though

Comment by kube-system 3 hours ago

Just like Tor, encryption, VPNs, etc, there are tons of legal uses for these proxies as well.

Comment by lakeviewterrace 3 hours ago

People who run Tor exit nodes generally do so by choice, and know the risks implications involved.

They didn't just connect a coffee pot to their WiFi one day.

Comment by kube-system 3 hours ago

Not all of these networks are built via malware.

e.g. https://packetstream.io/share-bandwidth/

Comment by OptionX 4 hours ago

And making DDoS-attacks nigh impossible to IP block.

Residential proxies are in many cases at least shady, both on the side of who uses them and for what and on providers that are often not above using dark pattern to hide them in some innocuous app for a smart-whatever that silently runs a proxy on a unaware user's connection. And in many places in the world if illegal stuff in done using your connection you are liable, regardless if you knew about it.

Comment by benjojo12 4 hours ago

Did a residential proxy provider write this

Comment by lakeviewterrace 3 hours ago

Huh, and I wonder why I've been getting tons of "you might be a bot" CAPTCHA challenges from Google lately.

Comment by mcmcmc 4 hours ago

Frontier lab training data “collector”

Comment by georgel 4 hours ago

I wouldn't call turning on CloudFlare's bot blocker an "absurd amount of effort" from the perspective of site owners.

But getting around it sure is annoying, sometimes I get flagged IP's from Comcast and can't visit sites like costco.com despite not doing any questionable stuff on my network.

Comment by mcmcmc 4 hours ago

Hard disagree. They are malware 99.9% of the time. The utility does not erase the fact they are abusive.

Comment by mikestew 3 hours ago

Residential proxies are a very important part of the internet

So important that we have to trick people into using them. Remember when folks were running SETI@Home? Of course you do, because it was widely thought to be a good thing, and folks willingly signed up.

How many would buy the "box" if the advertising were honest about what's actually in the box?

Comment by Bender 4 hours ago

Most tools can be dual-use. Residential proxies are also used by malevolent actors to hack infrastructure or financial institutions and let some other poor soul get investigated for it. This is why we can't have nice things.

Comment by kube-system 4 hours ago

They're also used by the good guys who are going after those exact same bad guys.

Comment by Bender 3 hours ago

True, though unfortunately people can not be trusted to declare their intentions so the residential proxies will ultimately have to be sacrificed and given they are fairly easy to identify by behavior I could foresee the feds now having a reason to round 'em up faster. They already took out NetNut, IPIDEA, SocksEscort, Doppellganger and the "Kim Wolf" Offshoots.

Comment by kube-system 3 hours ago

Some of the more legit providers have KYC in place, and do literally require you to declare you intentions to open an account, and block certain traffic proactively unless you can prove a legitimate use.

Comment by Bender 3 hours ago

How do I identify which residential proxies have gone through KYC and which are wanting to pour hot sauce in my under garments?

Comment by kube-system 3 hours ago

The ones that do KYC list it pretty prominently on their website.

Comment by Bender 3 hours ago

They list the IP addresses of all the residential proxies? Is there a link to the netsets of all the IPv4 addresses they are using I can download once a day? (preferably over rsync but git over https is fine too)

Comment by amritananda 3 hours ago

I don't think even the most "ethical" providers are going to volunteer that information, since that defeats the entire purpose of having a residential proxy in the first place.

Comment by kube-system 2 hours ago

No...? That's a completely different question than what we were talking about above? The customers of a residential proxy who would be subject to KYC are the people using the addresses -- this has nothing to do with the exit addresses of those who have joined the network.

Comment by Bender 2 hours ago

That's a completely different question than what we were talking about above?

In fairness to me, I did say "Most tools can be dual-use. Residential proxies are also used by malevolent actors to hack infrastructure or financial institutions and let some other poor soul get investigated for it. This is why we can't have nice things."

So it could be Alice. I know Alice has good intentions. It could be Bob, we know what Bob is up to but I will give him a pass regardless because Bob did nice things in the past. But then there is Mallory ... Mallory Malfoid is up to no good. I need to know which IP's are used by Alice and Bob so I can exclude them from my automated protections. Mallory will automatically get rate limited to 16kb/s, 1 HTTP request every 5 seconds and if they bounce around different residential proxies they get redirected to a bathtub regardless of which residential proxy they use.

Comment by kube-system 2 hours ago

Yes, but KYC is a process where the service provider is making that determination. Either to a legal standard and/or their own standards.

In no world does "KYC" mean "expose your customer list to the whole world", let alone undermine the entire purpose of the product you're selling.

"I want to dox all of the customers of a proxy provider" is just an unreasonable ask. We wouldn't expect or want ISPs or VPNs or telecoms to do this.

Comment by Bender 1 hour ago

In no world does "KYC" mean "expose your customer list to the whole world"

Agreed. Alice Rhodes, Bob Bojangle and Mallory Malfoid will all be treated equally.

This was a fun thread, I have always wanted to give them last names.

Comment by mzajc 3 hours ago

s/Residential proxies/DDoS networks/, then re-read your comment.

Comment by sparkling 4 hours ago

>absurd amount of effort every website is pouring into anti-scraping tech.

Maybe some people do not want to provide their entire website as free training material to [insert LLM lab here]?

Comment by ethin 3 hours ago

You... Do know that people scrape websites for non-AI reasons, right?

Comment by anonreplier 3 hours ago

Why should the site owners be interested in allowing them to do that?

Comment by squidmaster 4 hours ago

Virtually all of it is the product of malware. This is like you saying that robbery is very important because you like buying cheap tools at pawnshops.