Bones may release proteins that slow aging and extend life span
Posted by EA-3167 10 hours ago
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Comment by hansvm 2 hours ago
1. Mammals don't naturally exist in environments where exercise isn't mandatory. _Some_ system had to generate those compounds, and there was never any pressure to keep it from being tied to the other stress-related changes bones undergo (like density changes). Once it evolved once somewhere in some critter once via that machinery, the advantage was large enough that it was locked in.
2. Exercise directly contributes inflammatory factors. Tying the cure to those to a measure of exercise intensity (bone squishing) helps calibrate the dosage. Even if an imperfect measure, the proxy of bone loading might confer some advantage in, e.g., not wasting energy on unnecessary proteins.
3. Exercise indirectly suggests a resource-poor environment, leading to lower chance of offspring succeeding and needing longer lives to produce enough viable offspring. The compounds in question aren't free to produce, so there's an advantage in only providing them to organisms who will meaningfully benefit. Mind you, resource-poor environments often promote shorter lifespans and faster growth cycles as an evolutionary trait, _but_ without a mechanism to force your offspring to mature more quickly the osteocyte-mediated lifespan could allow for resource-dependent lifetime offspring counts.
4. The mechanism could have evolved for unrelated reasons, perhaps directly contributing to the bone density calibration osteocytes already mediate. Any impact on lifespan is incidental or otherwise produces less evolutionary pressure for or against the feature than the direct purpose of the compounds.
5. More than having evolved for unrelated reasons, the fact that the compounds have any effect at all might not be evolutionarily selected for. We produce plenty of unimportant metabolic byproducts that we don't particularly care about, and it could be that some more important osteocyte function incidentally produces these "waste" proteins.
Comment by pedro_caetano 1 hour ago
It would seem plausible that there may be more than one mechanism via which resource scarcity creates pressure for increased longevity (to increase the odds of offspring).
Comment by JumpCrisscross 48 minutes ago
Given two tribes, one where their elderly are contained at home, and another where they're wandering and learning and teaching, I guess I could see a hypothetical fitness function.
I can't imagine it's too strong, though. A simpler, more-mechanical explanation may make more sense: when you stress bones, you set off all kinds of repair processes, many of which have systemic effects.
Comment by 233mhz 2 hours ago
Running, exercising, etc.
Comment by marcyb5st 43 minutes ago
What evolutionary pressure led to that? If I have to guess animals that were still able to hunt/move/... for longer were also able to mate for longer.
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Comment by dude250711 1 hour ago
Assistant, your assignment for the next year is to give massages to these mice.
But also, no need to exercise - just have something push on your bones gently all the time, right?
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Comment by LoganDark 2 hours ago
There are actually multiple forms of cancer that don't reactivate telomerase, and as a result age rapidly and die out on their own. Sometimes these are called pre-cancers, because they could still end up reactivating telomerase before they fully die, and then becoming a full cancer. A lot of them don't however, and a naïve solution to aging would remove this pre-cancer grace period entirely.
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Comment by svnt 1 hour ago
Consider the accumulation of mutation that would occur in a cell not subject to aging.
You could just as easily find support for the counterposition: aging, in a sense, prevents cancer. [0]
0: Judith Campisi, "Senescent cells, tumor suppression, and organismal aging: good citizens, bad neighbors," Cell 120:513–522 (2005). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15734683/
Edit: you edited your comment to talk about mitochondria transplants, but the science I am aware of actually points in the opposite direction: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25565207/
Do you have supporting evidence?
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Comment by JumpCrisscross 44 minutes ago
This one seems pretty obvious. Even the *The Emperor of Maladies manages to bookend it.
Comment by LoganDark 1 hour ago
Aging we don't fully know about yet. Naïvely you would definitely run into cancer problems without it, so that's why I wonder. We'll have to see.
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Comment by readthenotes1 5 hours ago
How would that translate to lifting weights or other exercises?
Comment by waterheater 3 hours ago
Note, however, that their experimental model section says they applied axial force (think columns, not joists) to the tibia using an ElectroForce 3300 (https://www.tainstruments.com/3330-system/) while the mice were under anesthesia. From this, it seems like they knocked out the mice and placed their legs underneath a mechanical ram to apply axial compressive forces.
Because people are typically awake when exercising, given that muscles are designed to carry forces around the skeleton, I imagine, even after scaling from a mice to a human purely by sizing, the human force equivalent will be many times higher.
If you're looking to try this out for yourself, the seated leg press will most closely simulate the study's method. Figure out what "moderate" loading is for you, and shoot for 3 sets x 10 reps at least twice a week. Overall, choose skeletally-compressive exercises where you're "pushing," such as weighted squats (e.g. barbell squats) and any type of "press" exercise like the leg press, chest press, military press, and even cycling (you push your pedals). For the purposes of this study, avoid exercises with any pulling motion, including pull-ups, pull-downs, rows, and swimming.
From a force perspective, running has some compressive elements, but the load comes from gravity alone, and good runners minimize compressive forces. Since running therefore is primarily a pulling exercise, I can sort of see what they're getting at.
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