Hermantown approves controversial Google Data Center during late night meeting
Posted by tech-pulse 1 day ago
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Comment by jsnell 1 day ago
But amazingly, they might not be the biggest morons of the story. This data center will make Google billions in profit per year. What beancounter is choosing to jeopardize that for avoiding $3M/year in taxes? How out of touch do you have to be to be to make that call, and why does that person still have a job?
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Comment by happymellon 1 day ago
> We should be castrating them and limiting their size and power as much as possible, everywhere.
You may have different intent but that is what your wrote. These representatives are the voice of the people, if you limit their power then Google can build datacenters without even needing to ask.
Comment by stinkbeetle 23 hours ago
> You may have different intent but that is what your wrote. These representatives are the voice of the people,
That's the problem. They speak in their own interests.
> if you limit their power then Google can build datacenters without even needing to ask.
"You shouldn't purge corrupt politicians and bureaucrats because they increase the cost of doing business."
Incredible. Truly.
Comment by happymellon 17 hours ago
That wasn't anything like what I said.
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Comment by comrade1234 1 day ago
My cousins were raised in Hermantown. My uncle used to be one of the few people that qualified for an in-city hunting license and he would hunt deer in his back yard. Hermantown is above Duluth and has views of Lake Superior. The weather is usually much cooler than 20 miles south of the lake and it's also fogged in a lot which is bad for the Duluth airport that is nearby. I remember laying on the exposed bedrock at night in complete darkness looking up and watching the northern lights.
I'm not against progress and I think it's great that Duluth is growing - people moved there during Covid and supposedly others moved there because of climate change but I'm skeptical of that. Places that used to be kind of gross and full of methheads are now hip and cool with nice restaurants and breweries. It's a much better place now than it used to be - at least it's less depressing.
But I just don't see how people in Duluth benefit from this data center - the revenue goes elsewhere. Google presumably won't be opening an office there.
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Comment by Dylan16807 1 day ago
But if both of those are met, I'll be pro-datacenter if it can offset checks the size of Hermantown $800 per household per year in taxes.
Comment by arjie 17 hours ago
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Comment by analognoise 14 hours ago
https://news.gallup.com/poll/709772/americans-oppose-data-ce...
70% of Americans are against having them locally. By group, “Strongly oppose” is about 50%, “strongly approve” is only 7%.
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Comment by Dylan16807 1 day ago
When the article says "most" people spoke against the proposal, that's an unfortunate gap in the reporting. Was it 60% or was it 95% or where in between?
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Comment by Klonoar 1 day ago
I frankly have to think $3m is low.
Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago
Maybe if a company complies they get expedited federal review or something.
Comment by s1artibartfast 1 day ago
When it comes to data centers, that connection simply isnt there. It is often private land, construction, and power.
Any leverage to collect revenue comes instead from 3rd party ability to obstruct and extort, not ownership. Often times objectors dont even have damages or externalities imposed on them.
Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago
Land and power are complicated goods on the public-private spectrum, with both supporting “the idea that citizens are fractional owners of the country and government.”
Datacenters need land, power and infrastructure. Civil societies guide and in some cases provide those.
We didn’t always separate mineral and land rights. We similarly, right now, do not separate AI from other property. If it becomes big enough, it should be.
Comment by s1artibartfast 14 hours ago
Do you acknowledge this is a big taking that requires major justification?
Comment by JumpCrisscross 14 hours ago
When we tax e.g. cigarettes and alcohol separately we aren’t “commandeering” anything. I didn’t say AI should be regulated as a utility.
> Do you acknowledge this is a big taking that requires major justification?
Yes. I’m just taking the AI folks at their word. If this is game-changing technology that requires significant fractions of GDP of investment, all while turbocharging politically-toxic cost-of-living rises and employment fears, yes, compromising on ideology pretty much nobody on our political spectrum has shown actual respect for makes sense.
Comment by s1artibartfast 11 hours ago
Why do you think AI has an impact on cost of living?
Also, I've seen this pattern several times where people want to base their actions on what AI people say, rather than how reality plays out. I don't really get it. It seems like a abdication of seeking coming from a hostile mindset.
Comment by JumpCrisscross 9 hours ago
Power prices.
Comment by throwaway323929 20 hours ago
If these pitchfork mobs get what they want, don't be surprised when you ask the future frontier LLMs about the Tiananmen Square Massacre and they refuse to answer you.
Comment by comrade1234 15 hours ago
Comment by aprilthird2021 1 day ago
What rights are they losing?
Comment by defrost 1 day ago
You know, the opposite of a very few deciding without paying attention to the many that stood outside locked doors in the cold.
Comment by Dylan16807 1 day ago
If they didn't listen, it wasn't for lack of physically hearing the arguments and seeing significant support.
Comment by defrost 1 day ago
There's the lack of a specific community vote on a large decisive issue affecting the entire town and utility availability and prices for at least a decade.
For small towns such things are over and above the usual day to day of town council business and often warrant a community referendum and some time spent on presenting options.
Comment by Dylan16807 1 day ago
But specifically in terms of how much representation they allowed at the meetings, I give them a C.
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