The first wired XR glasses powered by Android XR

Posted by yincrash 5 hours ago

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Comment by zmmmmm 4 hours ago

It's going to be interesting to see this compete with the Meta VR glasses. They are essentially identical for productivity except the Aura has physical light pass through while the VR glasses use external cameras to provide pass through. The Meta VR glasses will have better resolution I think, but then the Aura has access to the whole Android ecosystem - so that means real implementations of Microsoft Word etc.

But the real choice is the unfortunate one of who is least likely to abandon the whole thing when it doesn't take off and leave you with an un/poorly supported device. Both companies have terrible track records on this.

Comment by chaosharmonic 3 hours ago

> The Meta VR glasses will have better resolution I think, but then the Aura has access to the whole Android ecosystem - so that means real implementations of Microsoft Word etc.

Those aren't mutually exclusive though. Horizon OS is based on AOSP, and the more applications cross over into big screens on Android, the more Horizon gains the ability to leverage them too. Whether they actually show up in Facebook's store is a separate question, but I also have no idea how common the use of SideQuest is, just that the store is somewhat of an artificial limitation. (Google Play, on the other hand...)

> But the real choice is the unfortunate one of who is least likely to abandon the whole thing when it doesn't take off and leave you with an un/poorly supported device. Both companies have terrible track records on this.

Agreed. I would never buy a device like this from Facebook, and while glasses as a display are super useful, I don't necessarily see the need for a dedicated compute device for them when this experience could just as easily be powered by a phone. (I could maybe see replacing a phone with this, but more for particular minimalist crowds and not as a mass-market sell.)

Comment by rao-v 2 hours ago

The Oculus devices have and continue to have terrific support from Facebook

Comment by asdev 3 hours ago

Meta will never be able to compete ecosystem wise with Apple or Google/Android

Comment by serf 2 hours ago

my entire interest in the meta vr glasses is on-device eye tracking; I think that interface concept has been under-explored.

Comment by tty456 1 hour ago

What are you most excited about with that?

Comment by 2001zhaozhao 4 hours ago

I actually don't see any reason why I would use this instead of my Xreal Air (released like 3 years ago) + Samsung Dex. The phone is a perfect "compute puck" for wired AR glasses and Google even makes them, so why the heck are they selling separate compute pucks with these glasses and making them unaffordable?? Just make some pixel glasses that run android xr on the pixel phone instead

Comment by jayd16 4 hours ago

Those are 3DOF head tracking, right? This is inside-out tracked, 6DOF and hand tracking.

Comment by 2001zhaozhao 4 hours ago

Hmm, fair point, I suppose I just don't use the hand tracking stuff very often since it's just not very productive (I use portable mouse & keyboard even on my Samsung headset that supports hand tracking).

But even given that the glasses have to support hand tracking and 6DOF, I think they can probably build the sensors into the glasses but compute them with the phone. Or maybe calculating hand tracking would drain the battery of a Pixel too fast or something. Not sure.

Comment by rao-v 2 hours ago

I think it’s more that you need really good latency guarantees for 6DOF to not feel terrible - it’ll be pretty hard to get that from a multitasking phone

Comment by verdverm 4 hours ago

Still not enough FOV or pixels

Passthrough is lame compared to real AR

Comment by jayd16 3 hours ago

I think these are see through additive displays, not passthrough, no?

Comment by ranger_danger 4 hours ago

In my case I would need the puck if I'm out and about because my phone does not support DP Alt Mode.

Comment by georgewsinger 3 hours ago

If you're interested in running full Linux Desktop apps instead of Android apps, Simula is getting closer to releasing VR/AR compatible compute packs with laptop competitive specs: https://simulavr.com/blog/compute-pack-progress/

Comment by bryanlarsen 3 hours ago

Reviews indicate the Steam Frame runs desktop Linux apps fairly well, too.

Comment by Aozora7 1 hour ago

I'm not interested in VR/AR stuff, but I'm still waiting for dumb lightweight wireless glasses that would be able to replace my four monitor setup on PC.

Comment by delichon 4 hours ago

> Real-time AI perception

Continuous AI dependence of a large fraction of society is coming fast. It needs a name. Cyborgism? Umbilicals?

We'll also need to coin some names for the symbiotes to call the resistors. Neoamish? Analogues?

The economic power difference between the two groups may justify calling them the Eloi and the Morlocks.

Comment by traverseda 3 hours ago

Gargoyle is traditional.

Comment by serf 2 hours ago

>Continuous AI dependence of a large fraction of society is coming fast. It needs a name. Cyborgism? Umbilicals?

"Quick, everyone! There has been an event in the time line that causes derision between the masses, let's assign derogatory phrases to blindly label individuals on each side -- we'll call them slurs -- according to the corresponding biases before any kind of human oneness or organization can take place, otherwise we risk human relations improving!"

or, another route : every single step need not be 'us or them'.

... on another hand, 'gargoyle' is kind of cool.

Comment by delichon 2 hours ago

The opposite of creating new labels to amplify such dangerous expressions of opinion would be to reduce and simplify vocabulary into a kind of newspeak in order to unworsen such thoughtcrime.

Comment by reaperducer 3 hours ago

We'll also need to coin some names for the symbiotes to call the resistors. Neoamish? Analogues?

How about "human beings?"

Comment by UltraSane 2 hours ago

These combined with constant access to LLMs are basically the power glasses or specs from the book Accelerando by Charles Stross that the main character becomes so dependent on he becomes severely disoriented when they are stolen.

Comment by jackyinger 4 hours ago

Uh, I think some good old fashioned ones could do the trick: “sheeple”, “dumbass”, etc.

Comment by sorenjan 3 hours ago

Clanker sores.

Comment by AuthAuth 5 hours ago

This is cool. Its part of an ideal version of my home setup. But god the marketing feels so off, its like its made by people who have never used a monitor or done work on a computer. The marketing makes it out to be a phone screen for your face which is such a sad vision for genuinely cool technology. Also horrible demonstration of AI do these people even use AI?

The part where he asked AI to organise his windows was almost as painful as the part where he was in a generic chase sequence of a Ubisoft slop game and asked whats the best way to catch the assassin.

Comment by andsoitis 3 hours ago

They erecting a virtual world bubble to hide from us the devastation AI is going to wreck on the natural world around us.

Comment by mvkel 3 hours ago

Blinking at a screen 1cm from one's eyeballs feels pretty damn dystopian.

Comment by crazygringo 2 hours ago

Not really sure how it's any less dystopian than blinking at a screen 2 feet away on your desk, as people have been doing for decades?

To be honest, it feels a lot less dystopian to me. Frees up your body so you can easily alternate between sitting and standing, and move between environments or inside/outside a lot easier.

Like, it's technology adapting itself to our bodies, instead of trying to adapt our bodies to technology by hunching over and developing neck strain and bad backs.

Comment by jaypatelani 2 hours ago

Just like Silo

Comment by reaperducer 3 hours ago

This was part of a dystopian National Lampoon recording 50 years ago. It ended on a note about how even when the person closed his eyes, it didn't end.

It went something like "…there's a red light blinking in the darkness. You have a message."

Comment by moomoo11 2 hours ago

i think this is just a dream as we approach singularity we will wake up.

or at least i might wake up since im the one typing this.

and im arriving at alpha centauri.

all the progress and human evolution, timelines etc with exponential acceleration in the last act.

all to do with the effects of space time travel. the brain needs to remain active even in stasis.

thats the wake up signal.

Comment by dawnerd 2 hours ago

I just wanna say I really love my xreal glasses. Best travel device for long flights.

Comment by skeledrew 3 hours ago

This has me thinking of the Google Glass sitting on my shelf, dust well gathered. Never again.

Comment by sjs382 3 hours ago

And cardboard. And daydream.

Comment by jaypatelani 2 hours ago

What's effect on eyesight due to XR?

Comment by vdfs 4 hours ago

I wonder when it will join the graveyard?

Comment by mulderc 3 hours ago

Given the track record…. Maybe a year?

Comment by classictraffic 5 hours ago

$1099 is so nuts

Comment by ranger_danger 4 hours ago

If you just want a "dumb" pair of wired display glasses, they have a $300 version (xbx a01+) that has no brick, no Android and no AI, it operates as a plain DP Alt Mode USB-C connection. They're like a modern version of the old Sony HMZ-T3, but with the size/weight/style of normal sunglasses.

I like mine, they are more usable as a work monitor than I thought they would be (I'm used to blurry VR sets but these are sharp except for the extreme edges). The FOV is not quite as wide as the new XR ones but I'm ok with that... I don't use them for any immersive effect.

Comment by mrheosuper 3 hours ago

I have a similar "dumb" glasses, but the screen that is not fixed to environment is really annoying, always feel shaky

Comment by bryanlarsen 3 hours ago

Xreal's can fix screens to a physical position and also have a "follow" mode that damps out the shakes.

Comment by ranger_danger 3 hours ago

I have tried the follow mode on my x01 but unfortunately it seems to add a slight (but annoying nonetheless) blur to the image... thankfully the normal mode does not bother me as much.

Comment by bryanlarsen 2 hours ago

I've noticed that in the corners of my 1s in follow mode where it doesn't bother me. Lucky, because mine would probably gather dust if follow didn't work well.

Comment by starkparker 4 hours ago

even the $650 One Pros have most of the QoL features here, like the hardware IPR adjustments and an optional 6DoF camera

the only things that make the Aura tempting are the 70deg FoV (which like you say isn't a feature everyone wants or needs) and the 1000 lumen brightness. neither justifies burning extra money on the useless puck, even if Google is subsidizing it.

if the Aura was available at $700-$800 puckless they'd be a genuine upgrade over the One Pro.

Comment by zb3 4 hours ago

Is black transparent there? Are they dimmed? Or just additive?

Comment by cendyne 3 hours ago

I have the XREAL One Pro. It is polarized which makes it always dimmer, especially indoors, and they sort of PWM from the polarized state to a 99% black out with a button interface. When it's really bright outside and you have the display on, you can see barely where your next step is and not much else.

Their AURAs are probably the same in this specific capability, it looks like the same thing I have in my hands, apart from the extra cameras and a different set of buttons.

The projection lenses look the same too, which means there's no periphery at all. That makes the sort of "screens hovering around you" in the advertising not all that representative of the experience. You see what's in front of you and might barely contain the one screen that you're looking at.