AI execs may be too out of touch to build for the general public

Posted by pavel_lishin 7 hours ago

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Comment by aschla 4 hours ago

There was an interview with Elon a few months back, where he described how the robots will be able to take care of your dog, your kids, or your elderly parents.

The things normal people with healthy relationships want to be doing.

They're so incredibly out of touch.

Edit, found the interview: https://youtu.be/DPCvFy5BKeM?si=3c1yS2kSaOdlW56d&t=238

Comment by canelonesdeverd 2 hours ago

Also, that Sam Altman tweet about how cool it was to generate a podcast of his children interests rather than... talking to them.

Comment by lurking_swe 4 hours ago

> The things normal people with healthy relationships want to be doing.

agree - mostly. Anyone with a young child _and_ aging parents in poor health at the same time can tell you it's hell. Dealing with 1 at a time is a nice "calling" and way of giving back. both is...something i'd wish on my worst enemy lol.

Comment by fyredge 59 minutes ago

To that I disagree. It's not hell that you have to take care both. It's hell when you have to juggle them between a full time job that you need just to survive. Caring for family is a full time job. Unfortunately, it comes with no pay.

Comment by gonzalohm 3 hours ago

Then maybe it's best not to have kids no? I don't know why people bring it up like it's mandatory or something Like if you want a robot to take care of your kid you may as well just skip instead of putting your kid through that.

(I'm not saying you specifically, but a lot of people complain all the time about how hard raising a kid is)

Comment by werrett 1 hour ago

Participating in a democracy, going to school, paying taxes, having a job… Hell, visiting a new country, going camping, climbing a boulder — all of these things involve discomfort and cover a spectrum of ‘mandatory’ to ‘100% chosen’.

‘Complaining’ is part of human discourse. Generally it’s acceptable to share the full range of day-to-day gripes, elation, full tragedies (e.g., deaths), and emotional heights with other humans.

You don’t want to hear constant griping about raising kids. I get that. I might not want to hear griping about national politics or Apple doing something or other. Cest le vie.

Your parents no doubt griped about raising you. You don’t have to have kids but someone has to! We’re going to gripe mate. No one is forcing you to listen.

Comment by jdlshore 2 hours ago

You’re getting downvoted because having children is a lifelong commitment, and health problems can come on fast. Raising children while dealing with parental health issues isn’t a choice people make, it’s something that life throws at them. Suggesting otherwise is deeply unempathetic.

Comment by eluru 2 hours ago

Having children should not be something life throws at you, if that ends u happening the bast majority of cases is still your responsability to be there, not to put a clanker in place

Comment by gonzalohm 2 hours ago

I'm not even referring to that. I'm talking about basic stuff that anyone should research before having a kid like "childcare is too expensive" or "I don't get enough sleep"

I thought that was obvious

Comment by fugalfervor 1 hour ago

You should say this out loud to the people in your life who have kids!

Comment by s1artibartfast 1 hour ago

No one brought up it being mandatory but you

Comment by stackghost 1 hour ago

So, your argument is “don’t have kids because your parents might develop health problems”?

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Comment by seanmcdirmid 1 hour ago

I get the other things being out of touch, but Robot care for the elderly is something people have been looking at for awhile. I for one wouldn’t mind living independently into my 80s rather than being a burden on my only kid. I’m sure lots of people feel similar. Nursing homes and Elder care facilities also have huge labor problems, and throwing just money at the problem isn’t really an option.

Comment by fugalfervor 1 hour ago

No, lots of people do not feel similar. You may also be out of touch.

Comment by s1artibartfast 1 hour ago

Sure they do.

How do you feel about letting your parents use a dishwasher versus doing the dishes for them?

What about letting them see a doctor instead of taking care of all their medical issues yourself?

Obviously the task that is being outsourced matters. Nobody cares if a robot is taking out the trash. If this allows people more time to focus on real interactions, then that's a good thing

Comment by fugalfervor 49 minutes ago

How exactly is building a robot to take out the trash "robot care for the elderly"? Any chore done by humans -- including but not limited to the elderly -- that can be automated by a robot is considered "robot care for the elderly"?

If that is what the above poster meant, they should have stated it more clearly because it did not come through.

Comment by s1artibartfast 14 minutes ago

That is generally what people mean by robot care for the elderly. Doing chores pertaining to the elderly.

Elderly need a lot of help with a lot of things. Maybe it's the trash, maybe it's helping them find their keys or remembering to take their medication.

What did you think they meant? I assume that if someone meant we need robots to provide companionship or emotional support for the elderly, they would say that instead.

Comment by DonHopkins 2 hours ago

By "take care of" he means euthanize: EugeniX

Comment by ohyes 3 hours ago

I find it really funny that Zuck bemoans people not having real friendships and is also partially responsible for people not having real friendships and that his solution is to be friends with something that isn’t real.

It all totally tracks given what he’s made his career monetizing but god is it depressing.

Comment by realityfactchex 55 minutes ago

If:

- you (GROUP 1) are the 0.001%,

and you

- hire the 0.030% (30x more unclean than GROUP 1 on some scale),

- build for the 1.000% (33.3% more unclean than GROUP 2 and 1000x more unclean than GROUP 1 on some scale),

then I could see how

- "building for the 1%" would actually feel like building for the general public.

Comment by hoppp 3 hours ago

These are the use-cases of AI that I don't like that much.

Comment by rossy 3 hours ago

I think you'll always have a bit of cognitive dissonance unless you take this feeling to its logical conclusion. Almost all advertised use-cases of AI are designed to replace a relationship to a human being with a relationship to a multi-national mega-corporation.

Maybe replacing the relationship between a parent and child has more emotional significance, but all your human relationships are valuable. Even AI for coding wants you to spend more money on tokens and less on hiring and training junior developers in your local area. You can say goodbye to your local tech scene, and eventually your local university's engineering department, and all the social benefits they brought to your local area. Even walking over to your colleague's desk to ask them how their code works is something that is gone now.

Comment by fugalfervor 1 hour ago

I've never thought of it like that, but I can't think of a counterexample.

Comment by DonHopkins 2 hours ago

"The Lady": Russ Hanneman's Child Automation System:

https://youtu.be/wGy5SGTuAGI?t=217

Comment by badlucklottery 4 hours ago

You'd think the amount of awkward "how do you do, fellow humans?" moments from tech execs when they do interviews or podcasts would deter them but nope.