Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content
Posted by rbanffy 1 day ago
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Comment by bakugo 1 day ago
This feels like a microcosm of software development as a whole.
There's more software than ever, yet there are fewer people engaging with said software than ever, and the good software gets buried under a giant pile of crap.
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Comment by rbanffy 9 hours ago
I’d say there is a lot of good software buried under good software. I think AI will help these opportunists to make better software than they would otherwise.
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You can put hundreds of hours into these accounts, and people will roll the dice on a vibecoded plugin they (or a stranger on the runelite plugin repo) make with very little understanding that Jagex (the company that maintains OSRS) just sees client commands. If you look like a bot and smell like a bot, you get treated like a bot.
I now know two friends that got bans (one permanent!) for rolling their own unpublished plugins, not realizing that they asked Mod Claude for a macro set for some bossing content… oof.
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Comment by casey2 18 hours ago
And so the goalposts move, oh now we've always cared about user resources, AI is using too much, but in 3 months when it's better than all human programs at resource management what will they move onto? Did we forget that unused resources are wasted resources? Or can that only justify poorly human-written programs.
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I made my edits and they were immediately reverted by wikipedia's own AI bot. I gave up.
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Comment by insane_dreamer 1 day ago
this sounds like a good safeguard
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The only way to win is not to play.
Comment by BatmansMom 1 day ago
> Yesterday, AI was something to clean up. Today, it’s a tool to help us with the cleanup. Tomorrow, it will be the air we breathe.
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https://wikiedu.org/blog/2026/01/29/generative-ai-and-wikipe...
https://wikiedu.org/blog/2026/07/14/generative-ai-and-wikipe...
Comment by HelloUsername 1 day ago
"Low-background Steel: content without AI contamination (jgc.org)" 10.jun.2025 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44239481 269 comments
"Wikipedia: Database Download (wikipedia.org)" 27.apr.2025 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43811732 99 comments
"Low Background Steel (lowbackgroundsteel.ai)" 27.apr.2025 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43814531 2 comments
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Comment by fallingbananna 1 day ago
It feels like the distribution of sources/links it outputs is 33% Reddit, 33% Random blog, 33% Not Found.
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Users on Reddit say…
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Comment by fomoz 1 day ago
Most of its non-neutral articles are biased and don't say they are biased. The only articles that are decent are math or astrophysics, anything related to news or current events always leans one way.
Comment by nailer 1 day ago
- ADL report finds 91% of banned editor’s Israel-related edits still live on key pages. https://www.timesofisrael.com/biased-wikipedia-edits-on-isra...
- Forensic details of Oct. 7 atrocities (sexual violence, burned victims) removed and never restored on Gaza war page. https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/adl-wikipedias-d...
- Editor JDiala admits 10-15% of active accounts since Oct. 7 were sockpuppets or Discord-coordinated for pro-Palestine bias. https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-911291
- Hamas page restructured days after Oct. 7 to move antisemitism and abuses material to low-traffic “Criticism” article. https://www.foxnews.com/media/first-fox-wikipedias-editorial...
- New cohort of 19 editors uses subtle methods (undoing, hedging, slow rewrites) and controls latest versions on ~60% of examined pages. https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-911852
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George Fitzhugh, Virginia slaveholder: “The negro slaves of the South are the happiest, and, in some sense, the freest people in the world.”
John C. Calhoun, South Carolina slaveholder, former vice president, and U.S. senator: “I may say with truth, that in few countries so much is left to the share of the [enslaved American] laborer, and so little exacted from him, or where there is more kind attention paid to him in sickness or infirmities of age.”
Comment by nailer 17 hours ago
Again, for your benefit:
> There is no apartheid: arabs in Israel have more rights than in Gaza, the UAE or Saudi Arabia.
Comment by Grimeton 1 day ago
Except: Wikipedia...
Comment by kalleboo 1 day ago
The only reports I can find of "population of Gaza went up" are people quoting the CIA Factbook, which was only using growth estimates from months before "the operation against Hamas".
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-1...
Comment by dlubarov 9 hours ago
The 11,069 number is from [1], or [2] is from a more neutral source:
> Gaza's health ministry has removed 1,852 people from its official list of war fatalities since October, after finding that some had died of natural causes or were alive but had been imprisoned. [...] Almost all of the names removed (97%) had initially been submitted through an online form which allows families to record the deaths of loved ones where the body is missing.
[1] https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/sites/default/files/pdf/...
[2] https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-of-names-removed-from-o...
Comment by slowin 8 hours ago
One thing is for absolute certain though, the population of Gaza has not gone up.
Comment by frentybu 3 hours ago
They are also reporting births:
https://moi.gov.ps/Home/Post?id=168491
And the total number of births over the past 3 years is larger than the total killed, hence the population grew overall.
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Comment by dunham 1 day ago
I was afraid of that. I grabbed a 2024-04-20 copy as a backup, in case it turned to slop, but I suspected it might be tainted already.
Comment by dachris 1 day ago
Still, 2023-10 is probably the last pure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
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Comment by aizk 1 day ago
A year ago somebody make a page for wikitok, my 15 minutes of fame website. About a year after that, the user was banned for mass creating articles, allegedly. The article was then nominated to be deleted, because of the nature of the creator being banned for AI generated slop. A little while later, the article was deleted just because nobody bothered to vouch for it, funny times.
When you think of something in wikipedia, you may associate it with longevity, archival... Not the case, just like the web, links rot, things change, people play games / politics. It's all the same!
Comment by gwbas1c 1 day ago
Now it's pages and pages and pages of text: probably factual, but not a satisfying read. It feels like it's for a different audience, and it's not satisfying to read.
Is it AI generated? I don't know for sure, but it feels like either someone (or something)'s missing the point of who Wikipedia's audience is; or that someone is following an agenda, (or that there's an edit war going on between dueling agendas and the facts are added to drown out the "AIDS is a consequence of bad morals" agenda.)
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Comment by pixl97 1 day ago
A digital encyclopedia has different constraints, and the hard part was always trying to figure out what to leave out. Also in encyclopedias, you get what you get from the one or two people that worked on that particular article. If they had biases it would shape what everyone in the world saw. In an online article it can become a battle on what people want to see.
It is a difficult problem.
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“An article should not be a complete presentation of all possible details, but a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject“
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_no...
Comment by cj 1 day ago
There's a pretty stark difference between the first few paragraphs of the HIV/AIDS page and the first few paragraphs of the Type 2 Diabetes page.
Both are "factual", but when I read the HIV/AIDS page, I feel like someone is trying to convince me "HIV is not a bad disease".
Comment by harrisi 1 day ago
Obviously this is subjective. I'm not saying you're wrong, just genuinely curious at what made you think this. I'm not making assumptions, but perhaps you have (unfortunately) more personal and upsetting experiences with HIV/AIDS than with diabetes? I know that when I used to bartend at a neighborhood gay bar frequented by gen Xers it was very difficult to see and hear people lose or talk about losing their partners to something that alienated them even more than they already are/were.
It is interesting to think about how to convey information about these things though. I think it's probably a good thing to make HIV/AIDS not sound so terrifying. For pretty much every adult alive today, I'd assume, their idea of HIV/AIDS was something like being told it's a "gay disease" or that you can't touch people with it (thank you for your service, princess Diana) or some sort of anti-African racist nonsense. So conveying accurate information without bigotry, homophobia, or xenophobia is probably a good thing overall.
Also curious what sort of possible conspiracy would benefit from Wikipedia readers from not being more afraid of HIV/AIDS.
Comment by cj 1 day ago
It feels like the first 2 paragraphs are doing a lot of work to downplay the seriousness of the illness:
- highlighting the "undetectable = untransmittable" PR campaign.
- reassurance that you can live a normal life with HIV, "die with virus, not of virus"
- reassurance that there's zero transmission risk with long term treatment
- reassurance that HIV is a "manageable chronic health condition"
After the first 2 paragraphs of the HIV article, I'm left thinking "okay, this isn't as bad as I thought" -- but maybe that's okay since historically there has been a lot of misinformation around HIV.
> what sort of possible conspiracy would benefit from Wikipedia readers from not being more afraid of HIV/AIDS.
De-stigmatization of HIV is the agenda. (An agenda I support)
Comment by harrisi 1 day ago
Always fun to think about different viewpoints. The same factual information could be represented (and is, as far as I know) in another way to denounce homosexuality and premarital sex, for example. Not making a statement about any particular belief system.
Thanks for the engaging think on a difficult night for me. I appreciate it. :)
Comment by Feathercrown 1 day ago
Hope your night works out well in the end.
Comment by harrisi 1 day ago
To bring it back to the topic, this is certainly a serious concern with AI-generated content. The world changes and evolves and things that are acceptable become unacceptable and vice versa. With training data potentially being stuck in time due to the majority of new data being generated, history could essentially just stop here. Or at least that is an idea that's been proposed. I'll be honest that I have thought that to be a genuine concern. However, objectively, novel ideas have come out of these new technologies. So it's a bit of a pickle to figure out how that relates to the human experience as time marches on.
Thank you. The world will keep on spinning. :)
Comment by watwut 1 day ago
Also, after you had unsafe sex or accidentally touched infected injection, you can get early anti-hiv drugs - which means you will not get HIV.
I mean, what exact bias is there?
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Comment by flexagoon 1 day ago
> The Simple English Wikipedia is for everyone, such as children and adults who are learning English
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
> Other people may use the Simple English Wikipedia because simple language helps them to understand unfamiliar topics or complex ideas.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About#Simple_Eng...
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And while I agree it's too long, do note that about 50% is the References section.
Comment by zackmorris 1 day ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_HIV/AIDS
On reflex, I searched for "reagan". 0 results as of the morning of October 27, 2026.
I was there in the 1980s when the AIDS outbreak started getting mainstream news coverage. I watched the Ryan White movie on TV, when it was the biggest topic at school for months afterwards:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_White
I can tell you what really happened. HIV/AIDS scared the bejesus out of the political establishment of the time. Who then stoked that fear to push their socially conservative agenda onto everyone in an attempt to return the US to what they viewed as a morally just culture (basically the 1950s), much like MAGA today.
And just like when Donald Trump refused to wear a mask to set an example in protecting the elderly and other vulnerable groups from infection by COVID-19, Ronald Reagan refused to devote real resources to slowing the spread of of AIDS and finding a cure. Because AIDS furthered the GOP's efforts to expand the War on Drugs, push abstinence-only sex education, demonize same-sex relationships and criticize secular culture in general.
In a very real sense, Ronald Reagan and his administration let AIDS grow from being a manageable disease to becoming an epidemic that killed millions of people. His misplaced priorities set back research and treatment options by decades.
Omitting Reagan's name from the history of AIDS is like casually leaving Benedict Arnold out of the history of the American Revolutionary War.
The domino effect of his abdication of duty has touched everything from US police interventions in developing nations that it's exploited to its $40 trillion national debt. It's literally fogged the lens through which we see the world.
Its easy to forget all of that now that once-daily HIV treatment pills and bi-monthly preventative injections exist, and we're finally seeing cures on the horizon.
Revisionist history now dominates our political discourse. I write this because the "AIDS is a consequence of bad morals" agenda is not something to be lightly swept under the rug. It's literally a pillar upon which the alternate timeline we're on now stands.
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I remember Reagan manufacturing AIDS into some sort of plague sent by God to punish brown skinned alongside gay people. I'm not surprised that historians have whitewashed Reagan's racism.
It was Reagan's administration that got the Fairness Doctrine repealed. That single action made the right wing media possible. Fox could never have existed prior.
The HPV vaccine prevents several cancers. Australia, which has mandatory HPV vaccination, is seeing a 95% drop in the cervical cancers that the vaccine prevents compared with pre-vaccine people. In my state, as well as some other red states, want the HPV shot banned or at the very minimum requiring positive parental consent.
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What I think is interesting is that in this day and age of AI with free Open Source web server software, unbelievably cheap data storage, and very inexpensive Internet hosting prices,
basically anyone can run their own version of Wikipedia
So, do specific Wikipedia articles lean too far to the left or too far to the right for your tastes?
Do specific Wikipedia articles lean too liberal or too conservative for you?
Do specific Wikipedia articles lean too pro-Democrat or pro-Republican for you?
Maybe you're just a Scientist or Physicist or Electrical Engineer and you don't like the censorship of "Free Energy" articles, er, I mean "Overunity", er, I mean "Cold Fusion", er, I mean "Low Energy Neutron Reactions" (LENR), er, I mean, "Free energy can't possibly exist, and we know this to be absolutely true!"...
Maybe you're a Programmer or Sysadmin, and you have your own opinions on the "systemd is not good" vs. "systemd is good" debate!
Maybe you're a Mathematician and you feel that some of the Wikipedia Math articles are either too complex for anyone to understand them effectively -- or conversely, too simple, and omit important facts!
Heck, maybe you think Chunky is a Soup, but then again, maybe you think it "eats like a meal!" and the associated Wikipedia page doesn't accurately reflect this belief!
Maybe you think New Shimmer is desert topping! But then again, maybe you think it's a floor wax! But you believe that the associated Wikipedia page doesn't present these facts accurately or fairly, in a non-biased way!
Well, there's a simple solution to all of these problems, all of these dilemmas, and more! Which is:
Basically run your own version of Wikipedia!
AI can be used en masse, to clean up the content of any Wikipedia web pages you don't like!
Simply fork Wikipedia, grab copies of its data (which is or should be public domain), write a prompt to look for and change (according to your own political, relgious, moral, or just-plain-common-sense beliefs!) all of the Wikipedia web pages that you feel are not "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help [them/me/you/they] G-d!", and then host the thing yourself!
It's not impossible in this AI age!
Note that I am not suggesting that everyone do this; I am merely alluding to the fact that with AI, this task is now within the realm of possibility to be accomplished, whereas previously, it would have been significantly difficult...
Anyway, great article!
(And for the record -- Wikipedia is usually about 98%-99% correct on most hard STEM subjects, and an excellent starting point for research, so I'm not saying all of the above to knock Wikipedia in any way! We should all remember that Wikipedia was revolutionary for its time, and remains an excellent starting point for STEM research!)
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Of course I'd love for this experiment to be done outside of the main site, and only integrated when it's mature, stable, and proven to be actually useful, but other than that implementation concern, I feel this is something that needs to be explored.
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If it’s that easy for me to correct it, it should be automated.
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As a consequence I am much happier using and adding and contributing to the english wikipedia than to the german wikipedia.
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I wouldn't even have much of a problem with it - if these labs would be fair enough to humanity as a whole to provide the raw scans after the process is completed, and if they would limit themselves to books that have been on the market for more than 20 years.
Comment by aesthesia 1 day ago
Unfortunately, this would get them an even bigger copyright smackdown than they've already received.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stripped_book
> A stripped book is a mass market paperback that has been stripped of its cover in order to be recycled. The covers are returned to the publisher as evidence that the books have been destroyed and to obtain a credit on the purchase price.[1] The books are meant to be destroyed by pulping but some find their way to street merchants, sometimes by illegal means, and are resold.[2]
I grew up reading books with this ditty in them:
> If you purchased this book without a cover you should be aware that this book is stolen property. It was reported as “unsold and destroyed” to the publisher and neither the author nor the publisher has received any payment for this “stripped book.”
Those books certainly weren't scanned before being pulped. Would've been illegal. Really, the big thing that destroys books is the copyright term being as long as it is.
Comment by DonaldPShimoda 1 day ago
What was going on recently was AI companies were specifically seeking out rare — or sometimes irreplaceable — books to supplement their data sets (and hopefully getting a leg up on their competitors). The destruction of the books wasn't the point, it was just a consequence of the business-oriented realization that they could scan the contents of more books faster if they just chopped off the bindings rather than investing the time to care for the books and keep them intact (plus supposedly playing along with copyright law by "only having one copy of the copyrighted material").
Comment by msla 4 hours ago
A lot of worthless books are rare. That was what people in the trade call "Clickbait"; in that it isn't technically a lie but it sure ain't the truth.
> The destruction of the books wasn't the point
It was to the people who shared the stories for clicks and outrage farming.
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That does not really make it a law though.
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I absolutely understand where you are coming from, and I agree to a point. If you're of an age where you actually read a printed encyclopedia, the tone and voice of the entire set was sameish as well. The difference is that it didn't sound LLMish like LLM text does. I know that printed encyclopedias would have been vetted by editors, and I feel this is the key difference. Editors not only knew grammar rules, but had that sense of good writing practices that's hard to write down as rules. A piece of text passed through a good editorial review will read human while LLM text reads as LLM text.
Comment by contrast 1 day ago
When we say AI sounds same-ish we mean all sources of content can sound the same - fiction and non-fiction, news articles and blog posts, marketing pitches and ai drafted personal messages, all sound kinda the same. That is a different situation, and that's before you get to "and that one sound is LLMish".
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Though, with the safeguards put into place on these models, they are naturally going to have SOME amount of bias, but we should be working to minimize that, no?
Comment by bunderbunder 1 day ago
The worrying thing about using LLMs to do the "thinking" about what to say and how to say it is that you replace a plurality of human biases with the opinions of the small number of people who get to decide how these models are trained. Which will only seem unbiased if the bias baked into the LLM happens to align with your own.
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(ultimately I believe objectivity is somewhat of a lie we tell ourselves, but that's a discussion for another time)
Comment by Retric 1 day ago
Calling out bias however is a standard practice for groups whose beliefs don’t match reality. You see that on political extremes, but also revisionist history, many religious groups, conspiracy theories, etc.
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That does sound like exactly the kinds of lies that a good model would want to avoid, but which conservatives would believe, along with "Climate change isn't real", "There is a war on Christmas", and "Trump won the 2020 presidential election"
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That is AI is a tool. I've driven screws with a hammer - it worked in a pinch, but it was not good. People have also used hammers to kill others.
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That takes a lot of commitment, you really have to want that screw in pretty badly! And when you're done it ends up just being a worse nail.
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I've seen these used to assemble wooden palettes (they are VERY hard to remove). A search on Home Depot reveals they may be used for certain types of siding as well.
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I built a house with them. You really want to check twice if you're putting them in where you want them because getting them out is - as you noted - annoyingly difficult. But they're very nice for large surfaces that are going be battered by the wind, they're much longer than your typical screw and working with them is very fast.
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Having a program constantly suggest "better" ways of phrasing things is stripping your personality from your language. Maybe this is needed if you are writing corporate PR pieces, but you should avoid it for anything else.
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Of course AI can be used to check sources, get critical feedback and translate to languages. But content should be 100% human driven.
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In worst case we might have an 'AI language' (or languages) instead, so the sensitive souls could find a safe heaven from it elsewhere, choosing something else. Perhaps one along the idea of 'simple English', have it 'AI English'. Or something else satisfies those looking for a specific way of delivery they can handle exclusively.
I think knowledge is the important here, not the tone.
Comment by bananaflag 1 day ago
Why write more than a book instead of just putting everything into one book?
This is a way of thinking from which it is hard to get out, I have no idea how to point it to you.
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A typewriter prints the letters exactly as you press the corresponding keys. It doesn't invent bullshit on its own as you do. I can't take the comparison to a typwriter as a serious, good faith argument. If you have any worthwhile ideas, please bring those up instead of poorly considered variations on the usual "it's just a tool" platitudes. The comparison is invalid. You are thoughtless for bringing it up.
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Honestly Wikipedia is just fine being written by humans. It's not the lack of copy that is holding Wikipedia back.
However,
> Perhaps one along the idea of 'simple English', have it 'AI English'.
That's actually an interesting idea. It could work, but I don't personally think it would be better than the English Wikipedia.
Also, are you expecting that humans would still be on the loop by deciding what gets added to AI English Wikipedia, or you think that LLMs should get to decide that too?
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Many conservative worldview elements such as climate change denialism, creationism or anti LGBT view (e.g. LGBT being "unnatural") are not backed by reality because they run counter to scientifical consensus. And that's before we go into the outlandish bullshit conspiracy crap like "ZOG/zionist occupied government", "flat earth", "9/11 was faked", "the moon landing was faked" and the likes that gains more and more momentum among "conservative" people.
You cannot make a Wikipedia appealing to conservatives.
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Well, that's exactly what I said. A "Wikipedia" implies that what's written there is based on facts.
> It's entertaining to skim through though
Not really. The stuff coming out of the GOP that makes its way across the pond is bad enough.
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Not to mention this exact question is being discussed in the article.
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Can't wikipedia ask who and it what way writes content on their pages?
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There are over 7m articles in English Wikipedia.
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Same for adding an article to a category or adding links between en:Albert Einstein and de:Albert Einstein.
EDIT: For your consideration, here's his contributions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ser_Aman...
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> 2026-10-27T06:16:20 diff hist −23 Heinrich Lefler Removing from Category:Lohengrin not defining using Cat-a-lot current thank
> 2026-10-27T06:16:19 diff hist −23 Wilhelm Hauschild Removing from Category:Lohengrin not defining using Cat-a-lot current thank
> 2026-10-27T06:16:19 diff hist −23 Ferdinand Leeke Removing from Category:Lohengrin not defining using Cat-a-lot current thank
> 2026-10-27T06:14:55 diff hist +52 Maria Müller added Category:20th-century Czech women opera singers using HotCat current thank
Again, useful, but obviously very different from writing (or even modifying) the contents of an article.
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Comment by pessimizer 1 day ago
AI doesn't even have a motive, it's just dumb - so you can't even track the mistakes to specific motivated users or networks of users. There's no way to clean it up.
Although I have to agree with you (probably, because I'm going to put words in your mouth) that this is a basic problem with wikipedia and how it is structured and governed, rather than a problem with AI. Anybody could always just put nonsense anywhere at any time; AI is just a chaos monkey. Wikipedia can't rely on groupthink to maintain itself, it has not worked and will not work, chaos monkeys are needed.
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It's a pretty short article compared to what usually gets posted here.
Comment by Alpha3031 1 day ago
So the answer to "Why do we assume AI-generated means slop?" is probably "experience", and any proposition starting with "If the content is good enough" is trivially true as a conditional statement with a false antecedent (i.e., ⊨(⊥⇒Q) for all Q).
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Comment by berkes 1 day ago
What then, is the problem of AI-Generated Content in Wikipedia?
> Fake or misleading citations have become a major worry.
Why is this not a standalone problem? Humans can fake and mislead in citations too, in fact, this is a major problem and has been so, for literally centuries in science.
> Being a place that was, in theory, free from AI slop has become part of Wikipedia’s identity.
Isn't this a separate issue in itself too? One of "quality". If AI generates poor quality content, than I would think the poor quality is the problem, not the producer of it.
The article mentions several times how hard it is to detect AI content. If it is that hard, then obviously AI is doing a good job and producing content that matches that of humans. Why then insist on one type of producer?
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Comment by metobehonest 1 day ago
Yes, but who will review the mountains of slop to determine whether it is of acceptable quality? The main problem AI introduces is high volume at low quality, often overwhelming the human resource bottlenecks these systems have in place.
Comment by berkes 16 hours ago
Apparently Wikipedia has good reasons to not change this process fundamentally, other than add extra filters at the start to try and detect low quality posts, based on attributes that show a correlation with low quality.
Sounds like a pragmatic, but far from ideal solution to me. Correlation is not causation.
Comment by clarionbell 1 day ago
Today is not the day. Especially not regarding the verification.
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Comment by phoghed 1 day ago
Is 80/20 ever generally correct? Why is it favored over the 90/10 meme? Why would it apply to this? Why wouldn’t the numbers be vastly different for different domains of content generation? Etc.
If you pay attention, so much user content is just repetition of something they read on the same fucking website and uncritically checked into their brain.
Current HN top post is Roblox downloaded 145GB models from us (including adult content) without asking. I fully expect to start seeing comments to the tune of “Roblox is stealing porno to train AI for children” within the day in any discussion Roblox comes up in.
Why would these folk’s contribution to any other user content site be any more thoughtful?
Comment by dspillett 1 day ago
Sometimes. But it, or 90/10, or sometimes 75/25, is understood to main “a large part of the time”/“a significantly smaller but still crucial amount off the time”.
> If you pay attention, so much user content is just repetition of something they read on the same fucking website and uncritically checked into their brain.
Which is exactly the problem. We now have LLMs doing the same thing, flooding everywhere with more of that noise, further hiding what good signal remains. Even if some of that good signal is by chance almost entirely LLM generated too, it appears to be at best a vanishingly small amount.
Comment by californical 1 day ago
It’s just a rough way to say “mostly this with a decent bit of that” because 20% seems like a medium-small percent that could or could not matter depending on the context
That’s all anyone means when they say 80/20
To your second point, the 80% could be lots of basic things and the 20% could be the important facts, so it’s not always meant as a dismissal that the 20 doesn’t matter
Comment by seamossfet 1 day ago
As a result, I don't think LLMs will reach this state easily.
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Comment by steampoweredslo 1 day ago
Even subtle bias can manifest in significant ways. Given that the predominant market leaders in producing such models are currently : A country that's attempting to squeeze the word "america" in any geographic formation possible + rewriting history to put itself first, and a country that has perfected censorship en-mass and already actively doctors its own history.
I'm not convinced giving LLMs carte blanche to write authoritative sources on topics that - often are ideologically sensitive/controversial isn't just needlessly reckless and short-sighted. It's not a far reach to imagine such models reflecting the current views of administrations in these countries and becoming reluctant to mention certain colonial ambitions, environmental damage, political corruption, etc. where it might be relevant to authoritative content.
Wikipedia already struggles with issues in idealogical bias from authors - human validation (somewhat)helps mitigate that. You could argue that human validation is still prone to same bias - but you can always draw on a more diverse pool of editors with little ideological overlap. With LLM validation you're pretty much at the mercy of a pretty incestuous pool of data & a handful of self-serving corporates & governments.
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Comment by Cthulhu_ 1 day ago
I have access to a number of LLMs and can order it to build me a wiki site with all knowledge of the world, just like everyone else with the same access. What would make mine any more valuable or better than another?
Comment by adsharma 1 day ago
Latentpedia starts from wikidata, not Wikipedia.
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Funny though, as that admission of error makes it more reliable than if it tried to hide this fact.
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Comment by yreg 1 day ago
I would rather be worried about the quality of all the primary and secondary sources going forward.
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Comment by derektank 1 day ago
What do you mean by this? I have passed very large documents into LLMs and they are able to accurately extract quotes and identify their location in the source documents. I don’t see any reason to think that they couldn’t accurately quote from and cite existing literature.
Comment by kzrdude 1 day ago
There are tools where they try to retroactively add references, the LLM interfaces try to do this, but it's usually inaccurate.
I think of the way a scientific article works. "The sky is blue (Pearson, 1992)." The writer is fully aware what the factual statement is and which publication supports it (not just that, but which kind of publication - primary, secondary source, peer reviewed?). An LLM can try to imitate this, but the actual information to support this does not exist in its training.
Comment by clord 1 day ago
The hallucination era is rapidly ending.
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'Knowledge' formed this way is a living, evolving graph, and sometimes links are broken (findings are reevaluated or disproven); having the content declaration so clearly in the open makes it easier to deal with this evolving landscape.
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