Moderna and Merck say their mRNA cancer vaccine cut death, recurrence by 42%

That said:

1. Funding hasn't been pulled for mrna vaccines for cancer. rfk has been equivocal about the topic. NCI is stilling rewarding grants for mrna-vaccine cancer trials.

2. Pulling funding is different from blocking vaccines from reaching the market. The new season's covid vaccine is presumably an mrna vaccine. For cancer vaccines, it would be very strange to fund a vaccine just to block it from the market.

Should we hold these people accountable?

What do you mean? The court of public opinion seems to hold them accountable. Are you proposing legal punishments for Marc Andreessen? For what specifically?

Why though? Would they get paid by "crakpots" more than they could get paid by Big pharma !?

Apparently everyone knows Trump is only interested in him and friends making money. So how do you rationalize your claim?

How much did Moderna and Pfizer profit from the vaccines? I always go back to PG’s 2020 tweet: “Anyone else notice Fauci seems happier? I don’t think it’s just the vaccine.” https://x.com/paulg/status/1328075680492511232?s=46

But I'll just say there's a reason why the phone app icon on smartphone is of a receiver, when fewer people have even seen one, and how it works is a bit different, despite the goal being the same.

We understand the new by comparisons to the existing.

[1] That is super safe, but the nurse ask if you or your family are taking inmunosupresants.

[2] That has other problems and is being phased out where possible.

[3] That has possible problems with the reuse of the vector.

I also don't understand your larger objection. Your quote seems to say that the only difference compared to a regular vaccine is that the antigens are produced inside the patient's body, but the vaccination mechanism is literally the exact same. So why would you object to calling it a vaccine?

In case you don't know, the very first vaccine invented was the rabies vaccine. It also contained RNA - a live rabies virus - and it also hijacks the patients own cells to provoke an immune response.

Please stop spreading conspiracy theories.

Make 'em all you want, but call them what they are. Or don't be surprised when suddenly nobody wants to give their kids tetanus shots anymore because they can't trust anyone in the medical industry to give it to them straight.

To illustrate how much they've gone up, this 18% drop is just slightly less than their entire market cap in June (four months ago)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09655-y

The question now is what do you get with both treatments together?

> lost my dad to cancer because of cancer medication

Please don’t phrase it like this. Loss is hard. But desperate people have skipped treatment because they misread something online.

https://youtu.be/VGvuEc_tLQY?si=S2aYc67QamB-bkOr

It takes a profoundly naive person to think an organization full of people who have literally dedicated their careers to actually solving these problems are focused on the prestigious conferences.

These people signed up for decades and decades of work on a problem that would result in (statistically speaking) guaranteed failure.

In practice, data for new cancer treatments is usually published 6-12 months before approval. There are definitely exceptions, especially where the drug is already approved and the data is supporting a new use, but that is not the norm for new drugs.

There are other factors too e.g. it can take time to make commercial drug supply available. In this specific case how Merck/Moderna will scale the boutique manufacturing process for a much larger number of patients while maintaining the speed they need for the treatment to work is a major question.

Again, the company is extremely motivated to do all of this as fast as possible. In addition to the points raised elsewhere in this chain.