German court calls Google aerial imagery 'spying'
Posted by rdmuser 1 day ago
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Comment by retrac 1 day ago
Edit: It was 2009.
https://www.cnet.com/home/smart-home/nearly-3-percent-of-ger...
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Comment by card_zero 1 day ago
"in Germany the permission applies only if the image was taken from public ground, and without any further utilities such as ladders, lifting platforms, airplanes etc.". So the law grants different permissions depending how tall you are.
Mind you, this is copyright law. Might privacy be a separate matter?
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Comment by super256 1 day ago
https://www.rnd.de/digital/google-erneuert-street-view-kamer...
Comment by DemocracyFTW2 1 day ago
It's not immediately clear to me but what is clear to me is that the intent of the law is to protect people that choose to surround their garden with a 3m impenetrable hedge (Tuia is popular for that). The law states you're free to admire the hedge but not free to climb a ladder to peer over it. If the same hedge gets cut down to 150cm, then the law states you're now free to admire the hedge and the garden and whatever you can make out form the house. In that case you may legally take a picture and if the angry house owner comes out jumping at you, well, bad luck for him. If you're carrying a selfie stick, that might change things.
As for Google Streetview cars, I'm normally of the opinion that when dealing with a corporation as big and powerful as this it's better to err on the side of caution and privacy. The blurring of facades tho I found totally unnecessary. Yes, the mount on top of the cars might be construed as a ladder. Also, the law was never written with a company taking photos at this scale in mind. OTOH when you actually use street view it generally does absolutely not look like the images were taken from an excessive height; for the most part I pretty much get to see what I would be able to see in person.
Comment by jonas21 1 day ago
https://maps.googleblog.com/2008/05/street-view-revisits-man...
Comment by mdp2021 1 day ago
Almost overcome, actually not if precision were a requirement: the blur is over many false positives (especially alphanumeric data on buildings).
Comment by tancop 1 day ago
And there's a big difference in the other interests that have to be balanced against privacy. The only thing you lose by blurring faces or license plates is the ability to track individuals. You can still see a person's clothes and skin color, or the make and model of a car, and do useful research with it.
If you start doing it for homes it becomes a lot harder to track owner neglect, vandalism, squatting, illegally cutting trees, gentrification or changing aesthetic preferences. Even things like counting pools to estimate water usage.
Comment by flohofwoe 1 day ago
Comment by AlotOfReading 1 day ago
This is an awful ruling.
Comment by probably_wrong 1 day ago
While mostly harmless and cleared up in the end, this is the very definition of mass surveillance: a government agency looking into people's backyards without judge approval and without oversight. On that principle I have to agree with the ruling.
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Comment by Vaushite 1 day ago
Germany's also currently ruled by paranoid control freaks, we know this because they already suspended the freedom of information act, also because it "enables spying".
Comment by flohofwoe 1 day ago
Note that "full of coal mines" means a total count of 9 in 3 regions with a total area of around 500 km^2, and the protests were pretty much concentrated in one place (the Garzweiler forest), mostly because it is "tradition" there since the early 1980s. The protesters don't seem to care much about any of the other 8 lignite mines that are still in operation ;)
Also interestingly, the area used for open lignite pits for in Germany is about the same as the current area of 'ground installed' solar panels (not really relevant for the discussion but a nice little detail IMHO) :)
Comment by tourmalinetaco 1 day ago
They make it rather clear they hate their constituents, and the German people are starting to realize that.
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Comment by AlotOfReading 1 day ago
There are also much more relevant green space vector datasets that you should be using before using aerial imagery and object classification for any of the tasks you mentioned.
It's quite common to use aerial imagery in archaeological remote sensing.[0] https://developers.google.com/maps/billing-and-pricing/prici...
Comment by cucumber3732842 1 day ago
Now of course they won't use public imagery to grant permission for anything, but that's a different story.
Comment by benjiro29 1 day ago
O, those strategic taken pictures that hide the fact there is a large factor next door. Saves me a long drive. O, there is actually a main road / highway next to the property. Shit, a graveyard at not even 20m from the garden. Wait, is that a pig farm next door?!
Even caught a immo that was selling a "single detached haus". But inspected the areal pictures shows its bigger vs the pictures. Its was actually a double house (attached walls) in a inheritance dispute, where they have not even divided the land.
Immo: Come see, come see ... Told the immo to update his false advertisement, he kept refusing and very arrogantly mailing that he did nothing wrong. To this day, its still advertised as a single detached haus.
Hate how many immo are pieces of ** that deliberately take pictures from angles to hide issues, and wast peoples time (and money)! You can discover a LOT of issues when you get good at geolocating + google streetview/arial/3d view.
I hope they do not remove or ban it again in Germany, because its so extreme helpful tool vs the lying ** immo.
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Comment by tourmalinetaco 1 day ago
Now, one can say that the government owns all of the land and can do with it as it pleases, but that is different from all land being public.
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Comment by retrac 1 day ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuius_est_solum,_eius_est_usqu...
Comment by cucumber3732842 1 day ago
I understand the efficiency argument but efficiently applying a level of micromanagement that probably shouldn't be happening in the first place exist isn't exactly a win.
Comment by kingforaday 1 day ago
> The judges also determined Google must provide property owners with advance notice when an area is photographed.
But Google's satellite imagery is from a blend of providers like Vantor WorldView, GeoEye, Landsat, etc so....
Comment by interloxia 1 day ago
If he cared he would go after his local authorities.
https://www.geoportal.hessen.de/
I think he should put a large visible artwork in the yard, a blue port inspired creation, and then seek compensation for aerial photography on copyright grounds.
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Comment by flohofwoe 1 day ago
In Germany it's probably just more likely that your privacy is actually upheld by the law when push comes to shove (especially against privacy-invading companies).
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Comment by freefaler 1 day ago
And I'm much more worried if the government forces these providers to share my data so they can enforce automatically and cheaply the next "save the children" law, which is mostly "no tax sheep left unharvested" law.
(after a short research your LLM usage is currently used to build your profile)
Comment by cucumber3732842 1 day ago
I'm hoping and praying that not buying a subscription makes attribution 1% harder (because let's be real here everything is fingerprinted to the moo and back) puts me at the bottom of list of doors to knock on because (like everything else) they'll prioritize easier stuff and political will will be the bottleneck so they'll never get to the bottom of the list.
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Comment by userbinator 1 day ago
I wonder if we're going to get a Streisand Effect this time. Maybe we'll end up with the amusing situation of Google blocking only Germans from seeing their own country, while everyone else still can.