No Source Code? No Problem

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Comment by nolffan 1 day ago

This has been an unexpected outcome of agentic coding for me.

I recently ‘rescued’ [0] one of my favourite video game series, No One Live Forever, which is kind of lost to IP hell. It’s been an enjoyable experience, I learnt a lot, and it’s feels great to have revitalised the game.

0: https://github.com/nolffan

Comment by the_voice 1 day ago

I'm with you, I wouldn't have expected this a year ago. While it's been awesome for the hacker ethos, I worry that it might be too much too quickly. Commercial software will push to online-only business models to protect their IP from decomplication. For legacy/retro software, this couldn't be better.

One angle I don't see anyone talking about (perhaps because I'm mistaken) is that this is terrible news for Nvidia. AMD also makes great hardware, but their software is often seen as holding them back. A successful open-source CUDA port/decomp could devastate the AI pecking order.

Comment by ada-h00k 1 day ago

I don't think commercial software will survive something like this. There’s no reason to subscribe to any software when there are open-source alternatives for everything. The only way to make money with software in the future is by selling additional services that require computing power. For example, if Adobe and Microsoft were to make their software open source, they could still continue to make money through AI subscriptions. The software itself will no longer have any monetary value.

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Comment by cyberrock 1 day ago

>but their software is often seen as holding them back. A successful open-source CUDA port/decomp could devastate the AI pecking order.

This hypothesis is pretty outdated after the past two years. Vulkan and ROCm are pretty good, and some users do buy R9700 PROs and 7900s for local inference. But the improvement didn't result in everyone trading in their 5080s for 9070s or 7900s because, as it turns out, the hardware isn't actually much better with equal software.

Comment by glimshe 1 day ago

Server components won't do. The model for protecting their IP will be streaming games. Maybe AI would be able to produce the game just from a video, but unless the video includes every single aspect of the game, that would be a lossy process.

Comment by pennomi 1 day ago

It’s not technically or financially viable. AAA games are already too expensive to create, and this increases the complexity by an order of magnitude. And that’s before the latency problems that make the game less fun, and therefore more likely to bomb.

Comment by kami23 1 day ago

I bet they would be able to figure out a lot through game guides over the years, but not sure how popular those are. I play a lot of search action games and still look things up a lot.

Comment by nolffan 1 day ago

I’d get decompiling whilst the tokens heavily subsidised. Adobe should be pretty scared.

Comment by customguy 1 day ago

I wouldn't waste so many resources and time by every remotely interesting thing (down to whatever someone may remember their older brother playing when they were young) being "made" from scratch by 50 different people, who usually don't communicate with and often don't even reference each other. "Oh hi guys, so I happened to have made this thing..." is kinda getting old.

Comment by Razengan 1 day ago

> Commercial software will push to online-only business models to protect their IP from decomplication.

uhm.. My dude, AI can make entire apps from just a couple English sentences, it'll handle cloning an entire online-only app it can see (and sniff)

And frankly, who even feels sorry for Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Google etc?

They made trillions of dollars and looked down on their users for decades. Google is still anal about dark mode if you're not signed in. YouTube still hinders iOS's picture-in-picture feature. Facebook still doesn't have iPad-native versions of their apps. There's so much shit in apps with billions of users that hasn't been fixed for years.

Fuck them.

Comment by customguy 1 day ago

And they will keep making money hand over fist, while anyone who worked however one long on something can have it snatched up within 5 minutes of them releasing it to the world. And then 10 more people clone that. We could enter some kind of dark age where people are more likely to try to keep even their ideas secret. If nobody gets any recognition, and putting in the work for others to clone it is just being a sucker, then people will stop doing that. And companies will simply yweigh what they invest into vs. what they can defend/attack with lawyers, or patent, or whatever. And then Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft and others can ooze over the space where there was society and community, even more so than they already did in the last quarter century.

> Google is still anal about dark mode if you're not signed in. YouTube still hinders iOS's picture-in-picture feature. Facebook still doesn't have iPad-native versions of their apps. There's so much shit in apps with billions of users that hasn't been fixed for years.

They're not selling apps, alternative apps do nothing to them. Sure they hate it, just like Twitter hates xcancel, but they could give them amnesty and servers instead and still would never be meaningfully harmed by a mere viewing tool of their data.

Comment by metadat 1 day ago

That's awesome!

https://github.com/nolffan/nolfsrc

Comment by nolffan 1 day ago

Thanks!

Comment by rendaw 1 day ago

It's lithtech? Would it be easy to do shogo too?

Comment by nolffan 1 day ago

Yes to both.

Comment by ChickeNES 1 day ago

I've always meant to play this, had actually asked GPT about doing a decomp jsut the other day, and it surfaced yours. Nicely done

Comment by nolffan 1 day ago

Give it a go and file me some bugs. :D

Comment by Razengan 1 day ago

AI can also fix OS compatibility issues for older games:

I had Aviary Attorney lying around (great game btw, even if you don't like Phoenix Wright) but it wouldn't run on newer macOS versions. I tried asking Astra on a whim, looked away, and within a few minutes it was on screen!

Turns out "The game used 32-bit Node-WebKit, an old combination of Node.js and Chromium that modern macOS cannot run. Its actual game content was HTML, JavaScript, images, and audio, so replacing the runtime was feasible."

Comment by johannes1234321 1 day ago

I recently played a little bit with quite naive and simple prompts like "convert this DOS game to run using SDL without dosbox" and in quite a few cases it made a good plan for porting using a custom tailored x86 16bit real mode emulator and then hooking IO on modern foundation and then having it port to some modern language (a few experiments in C++, some Rust) For some games I didn't get to a working state, but for many, especially around transition to VGA, where EGA/CGA had been supported too, they seem to have somewhat isolated and simple graphics for this to work with an okayish amount of tokens.

Comment by ranger_danger 1 day ago

I'm the opposite... if it's too easy, it's just not fun or special to me anymore.

And the amount of people using AI to flood the internet with new bugs and exploits means it's inevitable that maintainers will also begrudgingly have to resort to using AI just to keep up.

I'm looking to leave the industry entirely soon.

Comment by 3v1n0 1 day ago

LLM demonstrated once again how open source was just the right thing both from the ethical, technical and market pov.

Companies relying in selling blobs have just no value now. The ones selling services and using open source models are just ahead of times.

Comment by bemtevi 1 day ago

I don't know if this is really true. For example for browsers, operating systems, etc. you still need to trust the vendor and have a lot of people use it, testing it all the time, to make it somewhat secure. And you need someone to maintain it. So I'd rather trust a binary blob OS like MacOS than some AI coded junk.

Comment by a1r 1 day ago

If you're interested in this, we're systemically porting the whole 8-bit game catalog to JavaScript over at https://gamesexplained.com/

and the OSS kit to do it is https://github.com/gamesexplained/gamesexplained/tree/main/k...

Comment by cadamsdotcom 1 day ago

(Article is from 2003 but I'll comment on the sentiment)

A new era of ownership is here.

I ported a closed-source game I'm a huge fan of from mac to iOS so I could play it on the go. No plans to release it; just sweet to play how I want.

The limit is your imagination!

Comment by an0malous 1 day ago

How much does it generally cost? Like ballpark

Comment by sigseg1v 1 day ago

Not the OP but I've tried something like this for a couple things. It costs a $100 monthly plan for about 2 weeks or so, so $50 about? (which is equivalent to about $4500 with API pricing, if you were using Claude, or maybe $100 if you are using something with less grossly inflated pricing).

Comment by cadamsdotcom 1 day ago

The game was $10 or so on GoG. The Claude sub is the same one I use for everything.

Comment by csnover 1 day ago

(2003)

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Comment by WalterBright 1 day ago

I've converted three large programs written in macro assembler to C, so it could be ported to another platform. It was extremely tedious.

Comment by optimiz3 1 day ago

All my monthly software subscriptions have been going bye-byte. No more Bookmap, Adobe, or Quickbooks!

Comment by oidar 1 day ago

Did you implement bank sync for you quickbooks replacement?

Comment by optimiz3 1 day ago

No, been using it for a small business with not enough volume to need it.

Comment by geraneum 1 day ago

I’m curious what Adobe software were you using that’s replaced, and with what?

Comment by esafak 1 day ago

probably https://getartcraft.com/ It's really shaping up, from the activity I see in Github.

Comment by mjr00 1 day ago

There's a lot of activity, but not a lot of it is from people who know what they're doing. Photocraft is less usable now than it was on release, which is impressive. One of the latest releases (I believe 0.11) had a bug where choosing a color on the color palette would hard lock Windows and require a physical restart.

Comment by anatoly 1 day ago

Can you tell me more? Just really curious about this approach, and am not a Photoshop expert or even user. How usable was Photocraft on release, and what were significant gaps if any - outright bugs, missing features, subpar implementation of features? How did it become worse with time?

Comment by ranger_danger 1 day ago

I thought that was the whole point of the NT kernel, to prevent bugs like that from taking down the entire machine?

How is it able to lock up Windows entirely?

Please no snarky anti-MS comments.

Comment by tyromaniac 1 day ago

Did you read the article?

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Comment by silentkat 1 day ago

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Comment by amelius 1 day ago

The authors should have a look at: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50152466

Comment by cadamsdotcom 1 day ago

You didn't explain why?

Comment by bytesandbits 1 day ago

the authors of a 2003 article?