Tell HN: The Amount of Irrelevant Content on Here Is Insane
Posted by alephnerd 1 day ago
After following the advice of a long term HNer who I trust, I created my own HN filter to auto-hide all posts with high negative sentiment polarity or non-technical relevance (I like HN but I don't need some rando telling me about how my day job works), and it's finally gotten back to the pre-2022 experience.
The crazy thing is the amount of material being hidden - I'm seeing almost 200-300 submissions being blocked a day, and it is these submissions that appear to be driving the bulk of conversation on HN now.
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Comment by ibn_khaldun 1 day ago
Here's a past approach that proved successful for some time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4102013
Comment by alephnerd 1 day ago
I tried a call to action years ago and all Dang told me basically summed up to "become more active on HN".
At this point I think active filtering on my own is the only solution, as the guidelines around tone and conduct increasingly don't appear to be enforced anymore.
But maybe calling out some notable examples would be useful.
Comment by ibn_khaldun 1 day ago
Established public figures here know how to play it. Everyone else either uses it as a temporary means for virality or are just here to hotbox the forum while it still stands.
In the meantime I hope your filter turns into something you think is worth making public. I have a 'concept of a plan' for an alternative but it would take some time and would not be a Show HN.
Comment by alephnerd 16 hours ago
And we'll see. If I refine it well enough, I'll try to create a more generalized ruleset that anyone can use as they so wish.
Comment by Karrot_Kream 1 day ago
Comment by alephnerd 1 day ago
1. is this topic "technical" (ie. Directly related to the day job of a software engineer, electrical engineer, computer engineer, computer science). If so allow.
2. Does this topic give advice on how to drive GTM? If so allow.
Everything else I'm hard hiding so it is somewhat lossy, but I don't need to read discourse about zeitgeist about "VC" or politics from random HNers who don't know what a vintage is or what an LA does.
I could go more precise with my rules and filtering, but it's good enough for me.
I haven't thought of a solution for account filtering yet though and some accounts (a couple of whom are on this thread as well) are deeply aggravating.
Comment by potsandpans 21 hours ago
The difference today is that the hottest technology has also become a hot button culture war item that has for the first time split the tech community in half. This in turn creates comment sections that turn into ideological flame wars.
You could find a ask hn for ever year since inception pontificating about how the site has changed and yearning for the old hackernews.
Comment by Karrot_Kream 16 hours ago
I've been running analytics on HN recently. It's all getting prepped into a bigger blog post, but for now this is just my observations.
HN is:
* More hostile every year, with a huge inflection point after COVID
* Talking less about STEM (and moderately less about business/finance) and more about politics every year, with the biggest inflection change around COVID
* Decreasing the number of sentences and words in each post year on year.
* An increasing amount of positive or negative sentiment comments with a sharp rise in 2024
* Always a higher number of negative comments than positive comments, with a sharp rise in negative comments in 2024
The trajectory of HN does not look good. Today's HN is getting more hostile, more negative, more political, and has shorter more off-the-cuff comments than it used to.
But in all honesty I don't think there's any way to fix this without fundamentally changing the site. It's no coincidence that so much of the site changed over COVID. In my experience, anonymous and pseudonymous online communities all became much more hostile from COVID onward. Those are just the people that hang out online these days. Any change to counteract this would probably involve fundamentally changing HN's rules, ranking, and sorting. My guess is the mods have largely "given up" on this and treat HN as a sort of maintenance node community, in a sort of late stage management role.
Comment by suboto 12 hours ago
1. Things have always been this way.
2. Read the guidelines. They have always been this way.
3. Follow the guidelines. You are off-topic.
4. Email us at hn@ycombi etc.
Been here for much longer than most, frankly.
I mean, I guess we all just pick up our ball and go to lobsters? HN has turned to dregs and every time we call it out we are warned. So of what use is it than to mindlessly ramble with burner accounts and nothing to lose? The old “even Reddit is better” holds true. Oh no, I guess I broke the guidelines by comparing to Reddit. That’s a paddlin’.
Try fucking moderating the site once in awhile, ffs.
Tomhow getting into a back and forth with me, ignoring what I’m saying and without at all reading the room is on brand. Hold on let me email you instead, Tom. I wasn’t clear the first five thread levels. Yeah that’ll do it.
Comment by bigyabai 1 day ago
You might just be witnessing the backlash to YC's increased investment in defense and surveillance companies. In general, the startup pendulum is shifting away from the populist B2C status quo we used to have during the SaaS days.
Comment by alephnerd 1 day ago
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Comment by phs318u 1 day ago
Dude submits on HN knowing full well that submissions attract comments. Responds to comment with please don’t comment on my submission and I won’t respond to your comments either. Is there a name for this kind of illogical behaviour? Where saying a thing instantly negates the thing you’re saying?
Comment by spottedmarley 1 day ago