Ask HN: Can we please limit the AI news flood?
Posted by cromka 1 day ago
Over past couple months I noticed that HN feed is almost exclusively AI or AI-adjacent news. Meanwhile the legitimately, broadly-hacker stuff gets left out for the most part.
I noticed that because the things I find genuinely interesting that I post here now get zero traction, which is the stuff that I believe would previously be met with some discussion.
Note that I don't care that my submissions were ignored, I don't need that validation. Problem is that if my stuff gains no traction, I am myself not seeing similar stuff posted by others, stuff I am genuinely also interested in and would want to hear about from this community.
Here are two most recent examples:
- Lenovo showed a model that incorporates solid-state air cooling. That technology has been around for a while but it looks like it matured and is production-ready. This allows for super-light and slim designs, which, in turn, should allow for bigger batteries installed and I think it's some sort of breakthrough: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49580229
- Brax Industries devices, genuinely interesting, open-soruce and innovative, especially the wall display, with its modularity and on-device processing compatible with Home Assistant. I also appreciate the very clean design: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49643215
As said, I honestly believe this would gain some traction here on HN a year or two ago. I no longer find HN a good source of "what's new" in the industry, it's almost exclusively AI talk now.
So I think the point I am trying to make is that maybe YC could start curating the content somehow to give those easily-drowned-out articles a visibility bump?
Or, at the very least, introduce simple tagging, so we can start filtering stuff out.
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Comment by cromka 1 day ago
It cannot be a long-term solution, though. Most people don't use them and if HN continues to be AI-foremost, many will simply stop coming here to post other interesting, non-AI stuff. A vicious circle.
Comment by sammy0910 1 day ago
https://sprinklz.io/public/pdwt4dve5uai
which additionally lets you add and modify custom filters
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¹ But I can do something about that, as opposed to the submissions as a whole.
² Even if one of them is about someone’s son pooping in the toilet.
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Comment by mdp2021 1 day ago
The NN revolution which started 15 years ago cannot be understated - if anything, some areas are not progressing as fast as they should and some of us are nervously waiting.
Have you actually multiplied the weight of submissions in your mental model by how consequential each one is?
Because we are still submitting even more idle "intellectual curiosities" - but these are in no way "times of static peace and ordinary administration".
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I don't think anyone considers AI to be something useless. It sure has its uses, I use it a lot to help with research. But it is sometimes shoehorned into things it doesn't belong, or its capabilities overblown for marketing. I think that's what people object to.
Comment by kentm 1 day ago
Edit: I'll also note that while its nice to see real novel AI news I find a lot of it is extremely marginal value. I mentally associate most discussion with debating what color of marker to use when marking the edge of your CDs to improve the sound.
Comment by noir_lord 1 day ago
The S/N ratio entirely depends on whether you care about AI and I don't not really.
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Comment by noir_lord 1 day ago
I meant I don't really care, I keep half an eye on what they are up to (have to live in the same world as them) but I'm not really interested in it at all beyond playing with some local models, the constant onslaught of it has just become tiresome, then I got to YT to watch my usual history content which mentions something I didn't know about so I do a search to see if there is a video on that and that is wall to wall AI slop and that annoys me so I go to do something else, do a search and the results are slop if the AI doesn't try and answer it for me first.
It just feels like if you want to do anything on-line you get force fed slop whether you want it or not and it's damn hard to filter it, can't even block channels on YT without an extension.
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Comment by rpdillon 1 day ago
Given that context, having a hacker site cover what's happening with that revolution makes sense. All that said, I agree with OP that it does drown out other cool things happening, but that's just how mass psychology works.
Comment by execat 1 day ago
Almost everything in top/new/best is an interesting read. Either I don't know anything about the topic ("...the spanning tree protocol") or am seriously interested in the topic ("Remembering Hong Kong", "Automattic's board forces CEO..."). None of these made to frontpage over the last two days AFAIK.
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Comment by noir_lord 22 hours ago
That out of the way, The admin/moderators can hardly be unware given they work for a startup accelerator that is heavily in on the AI stuff, it is the way it is because that is the way they want it to be.
HN is great but it's bias has always skewed to what is hot in the VC market or that they are heavily in on at the time (as someone who was around when it seemed like every other post was blockchain/crypto it's not even "new").
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Comment by krapp 21 hours ago
You can't serve humanity and the machine, you have to choose a master. YC has no choice but to choose the machine because that's where the money is, so HN has no choice but to follow suit. Hacker News is an AI forum.
I'm not suggesting there is some kind of conspiracy afoot but I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to just give in let nature take its course.
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It would seem OP is spot on. I just used this and it reduced the front page of 30 posts to 14.
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Maybe there’s a hype singularity where the hype is so strong that nothing can escape.
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The biggest tell is reposting something interesting from a year or two ago that received hundreds of upvotes. Now it will get 2 or three upvotes whilst "lulz Trump" /r/politics style culture war BS will be immediately hurled up and onto the front page.
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These things tend to improve/get worse by themselves over time, if it's not AI, it'll be something else, until the industry moves on. Right now, seems we're still "discovering" new things around AI, so the submissions will surely continue, and interested parties will continue to upvote.
But AI will have its eventually Ruby/RoR moment in the future too surely, where eventually you hardly see any frontpage submissions about it ever.
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> it would be better to have posts about the innards of Erlang than women who create sites to get hired by Twitter
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Whether I programmed in this or that framework did not matter so much, as I was still typing.
Now I (allmost) don't code anymore. That is a pretty big change and I still try to cope with it and I suspect many who hate AI, just don't want to face this new reality. But it really is not just another technology where the hype will fade out and it becomes forgotten. It becomes part of the standard and we are still figuring out how. So more diverse submission on the front page would be nice, but AI just is what keeps most programmer busy these days, whether they like it or not. So naturally there is interest. It became existential.
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Thank god.
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If people quit talking about AI, it'll be because it's become foundational infrastructure, so it's not the primary focus of the articles, but just the atmosphere they all exist within, like the computer, or the internet.
Comment by embedding-shape 1 day ago
Don't get me wrong, I leverage these AI tools as well to be more productive, I'm not against using it or anything else. But I'm also old enough to know that eventually AI will be "old news" when the next hot topic comes around.
Comment by ChickeNES 1 day ago
I really don't understand anyone who can say something like this with a straight face. Comparing AI to Bootstrap? I...
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Which will happen in due time, like electricity and the general computer.
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Comment by throwaway323929 1 day ago
If you don't want to see Ruby posts and AI posts, why are you here? Do you realize that you have control over what media you consume? A lot of HN readers like Ruby and we like AI and we would like to have one place to do that without all the negativity, hatred, and low quality comments coming from people that don't care about the things we care about.
Comment by embedding-shape 1 day ago
I don't know what feeling you got of me from my comment, but it's wrong. I don't mind either Ruby posts or AI posts, and I'd personally probably put Ruby somewhere along 1-3 top programming languages I like to work with professionally, so not sure why you feel like you have to defend something here.
> HN has a lot of Ruby posts because it was, and still is, a really good language
Agreed, but I was talking about specifically frontpage submissions, it used to be filled with them, almost every day, and now there is hardly any anymore. I think most of us long-term users can clearly see the trends over time, or at least feel them.
Comment by pixl97 1 day ago
That is how we have less AI stuff on the front page.
But if other people are interested in it and there are more of them than you then you might not get your way.
Comment by embedding-shape 1 day ago
I'm sorry, why would I? Is most of my comment not coherent English or what's going on?
> you might not get your way.
Please do tell me, what is "my way" I'm advocating for here, or implied advocating for?
Comment by throwaway323929 1 day ago
HN is a forum made by angel investors for entrepreneurs, startups and hackers. We like technology, we like Ruby and we like AI because it's useful for what we want to do, and we would like to continue talking about it like we've talked about every other emergent technology before it (including other "controversial" things like Bitcoin).
Instead of trying to torture HN into something it was never designed for, why not go to lobste.rs and unselect the AI button and you won't see AI? Or make your own version of HN that bans AI discussion? You can even be really ironic and use Claude Code to make the forum for you so you can do even less work on that then you do on posting about how much you hate AI here in a forum designed for and by people that understand it and want to discuss it. I ask, once again, why are you here?
Comment by embedding-shape 1 day ago
What on earth are you talking about?
> I ask, once again, why are you here?
Who are you asking? The person you're responding to, or "they" who I assume to be me, who you think somehow want to get rid of RoR/Ruby/AI submissions?
I'm sorry, but did the reading comprehension just fall off a cliff today among HN users, or what's going on?
Comment by pixl97 1 day ago
For the most part the worst AI garbage gets filtered out in new, so ya downvotes are needed to keep out the crap, but it's up to the community to decide what is crap. The person who made this post wants to tip their finger on the scale to get their way.
With this said fanboyism does suck and we end up seeing the following pattern quite often.
AI haters repeat every anti-ai dumb thing they see regardless of how dumb it is because they hate AI.
AI lovers repeat every pro-ai dumb thing they see regardless of if how dumb it is.
Team sports and team politics are annoying and that's what a huge amount of the conversations fall into.
Comment by throwaway323929 23 hours ago
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, because I seem like the AI booster in these conversations but in reality I'm fairly middle of the road, and have plenty of concerns about the technology. But we can't even get to that discussion until we can move the overton window from "AI is bad, how can we ban it from HN", and "AI is cigarettes, it will kill half of its users".
The proverbial AI piss is in the pool, it's not going away, I don't know what to tell anybody that doesn't believe that or doesn't want that. It's time to start integrating this into your psyche as something that will be a part of the rest of our lives in a big way.
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Comment by cromka 1 day ago
True, but I think the point I am trying to make is that amybe YC could start curating this content somehow to give those easily-drowned-out articles a visibility bump.
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Often enough, they even email the original authors and submissions about it if it is a really good submission!
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Comment by lta 1 day ago
I understand this is a significant topic in the industry but the ratio is really high. Every time someone at OpenAI or Anthropic farts, there's top 10 post.
It makes me feel as if a lot of hackers had given up on actual hacking to just be followers of the latest commercial stuff thrown on the market. It's likely a projection of my own fears, but I have not been able to shake it off and it's gotten worse and worse.
Comment by altairprime 19 hours ago
Are managers hackers? Are management topics of interest to Hacker News?
Comment by haolez 18 hours ago
It's harder to filter for the good stuff when compared to previous hypes, like Blockchain and JavaScript frameworks.
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The Lenovo laptop jet is experimental and the details suggests that it uses 7.5w to cool 30w. That's not very efficient. You might as well have a small fan and let it spin at a low RPM to reduce noise. There doesn't seem to be a breakthrough here.
The Brax industries one is just an ad from the company's official Youtube channel. I don't think the product is interesting at all.
Comment by cromka 1 day ago
"Secondly, AeroBlade reportedly uses four AirJet Mini modules rated at roughly 7.5W each, theoretically amounting to 30W of cooling."
How about some less skimming of the text before you jump the contrarian gun?
> I don't think the product is interesting at all.
Which one?
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That would be against the rules
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Evergreen comment TBH
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https://www.computerbase.de/news/notebooks/lenovo-x-airjet-i...
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Even though I might favor one if I was shopping for a new Thinkpad and was willing to spend more money on a laptop than I am likely to spend.
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BTW. Their tablet is also interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyEYum3cIQQ
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I have little to no interest in AI coding - I try it every couple months but always regret it, git reset, and go back to coding by hand.
It feels quite lonely these days. The general energy and enthusiasm from hn was a big source of motivation, or maybe community. Now using hn feels quite isolating.
I do see the occasional post about going back to hand coding though, and their frequency seems to be on the rise, so hopefully that correction continues
(I don’t need to see no AI, to each their own, just would be nice to see an equal amount of hand coding content one day)
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Programming will become like esports. Maybe out of the 30 million programmers who can program without AI, only 5 million will remain, but that is still a large number.
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I go by interesting problems and I like being able to chose from more options due to lessened expertise competition. Why people voluntarily renounce expertise is beyond me, but they are and I welcome the increase in choices of engagement I have been experiencing.
I would never engage in uninteresting work at any rate of pay, and working with LLM output directly or mediated is quite uninteresting to me.
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But including ever more complexity in the process, by depending on complexity-slinger systems that you don't fully control or even understand, is not the solution, in my view.
If you lose control over the precise, detailed specification of the domain knowledge that the code is, ultimately you are just a glorified business analyst. Besides, the inherent complexity of the implementation is not without essential complexity that needs mastering for security and performance reasons. Deferring that mastery to some tool is self defeating. The complexity doesn't disappear. You're just shuffling it around and when it leaves your purview you are merely creating opportunity for someone else to capture that value.
Ultimately yeah the vision of being an LLM jockey who doesn't know code might be viable or even numerically dominant in the market in future. Why would you descend the value chain though, and voluntarily, that I don't understand. Competing for volume isn't historically in the interest of the autonomous worker. Maybe I'd feel differently about it if I owned capital and had some corporate strategy behind it. As an independent actor, I don't see it favoring me.
Comment by sanderjd 17 hours ago
I'm very far from an "AI is going to take everyone's job" doomer, but I really do think "there will be programming jobs that don't involve using LLM based tooling" seems pretty unlikely.
Comment by bspammer 1 day ago
I don't like it either, but that's the way it is.
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Especially after clients have suffered the new found arrogance of non-experts riding on LLM output.
Look, let me be perfectly clear: if you're getting what you want out of your job and your personal projects, hobbies, whatever you do with your time, awesome! If you feel like the trade-offs of including LLMs in your workflows are good for you, great!
Just don't delude yourself into thinking this new technology, this new tool, is free of trade-offs. Net positive for you? Ok if you think so go for it. I haven't found the inclusion of LLMs in my activities beyond replacing the broken state of traditional search worth it. That's it. I'm not against it, I just don't find myself getting net positive value from deferring to code generated by these tools, is all I am saying. Nothing more, nothing less than that simple statement. Not for me.
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> The accounting profession is facing a severe crisis due to a shortage of accountants.
https://www.cpajournal.com/2023/12/01/the-accounting-profess...
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I got into it at a very young age, but the syntax and the languages were just the means to an end of building and creating. I'm academically interested in algorithms and data structures and distributed systems architectures, but I have no desire to actually code those things by hand.
You're probably not hand-writing your software in assembler.
Next to nobody will be writing code in 2050. It was always just a stepping stone.
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It's not just the AI thing - though that hasn't helped - there's been a real turn in the community. The most generous take I can offer is that a lot of people flooded into tech for the money in the last ten years, and now that the money is tighter all these people are panicking and trying to cling to anything that looks like a winning lottery ticket.
Unfortunately that means that for those of us who actually like cool tech, the space is inundated with get rich quick trash and wishcasting. So so much of it on HN right now.
I also think there's been a subtle change in the quality of the moderation. Before, stories were clearly gently spiked or promoted to encourage interesting and novel things to drift to the top every once in a while, and now that basically never seems to happen. A story about a cool new lisp would somehow appear in front of a story about a new version of React, even though it's kind of obvious it couldn't match the level of upvotes for the latter. Now it's all the latter. It's like a very smart thumb has been lifted off the scales and the community is poorer for it.
As I say, I eventually just left. HN currently detracts from my enjoyment of my day more than it adds. I hope it finds its way back over time.
Comment by nonethewiser 1 day ago
I have spot-checked it at times and saw 5 to 8 of the top 10 posts about AI or directly adjacent.
We are in an emergent, dynamic periodt. AI is revolutionary and will continue to get better. The world will change drastically because of it. This seems so obvious yet many will call it purely hype, no real value, etc. We are still in the incubation period, just like the internet in the early 2000s.
Comment by jillesvangurp 1 day ago
A simple truth with HN is that you don't have to click on every link. And if you go into the comment threads, you don't have to react at everything. This whole "somebody is wrong on the internet" cliche starts with people's own behavior. In my case, AI agents are giving me a lot of quality procrastination time. I'm waiting for two things to finish right now. Anyway, that's just me looking into the mirror.
AI definitely is a hot topic on HN. IMHO a lot of the material being upvoted is a bit low quality. I wouldn't mind a bit more aggressive pruning for that. I know the HN editors put their fingers on the scale when things get out of hand sometimes.
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Comment by cromka 1 day ago
Again, I don't have a problem with AI news, I have a problem with missing out on other news that simply don't surface the news from the "New" abyss.
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Filtering HN for yourself does not have the same effect as surfacing more non-AI content to every one.
Comment by noir_lord 1 day ago
news.ycombinator.com##:matches-path(/^\/(?:news)?$/) tr.athing:has(a:has-text(/AI|claude|A.I|harnesses|harness|OpenRouter|llm|vibecode|agi|deep learning|agent|TPU|GPT|DeepSeek|Anthropic/i)):xpath(. | following-sibling::tr[1])
I just have that in my Ublock Origin rules - it cuts the noise dramatically and if something gets through I just update the has(), it's a brute force approach.Ironically the only reason I saw this post is because I was on my ipad :).
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Also add "vibe cod" with a space.
And add token, Gemini, OpenAI, llama
Comment by noir_lord 1 day ago
There are about a million ways to do it better but I can accept the odd false positive :).
Comment by busymom0 1 day ago
I used gemini to update it to:
news.ycombinator.com##tr.athing:has(a:has-text(/\b(?:A\.?I\.?|A\.?G\.?I\.?|LLMs?|GPTs?|TPU|NPU|RAG|MoE|RLHF|xAI)\b|Anthropic|agent|super-?intelligence|Blackwell|Cerebras|ChatGPT|Claude|Cohere|Command\s*R|Context\s*window|Copilot|Cursor|DALL-E|deep\s*learning|DeepSeek|ElevenLabs|Fine-tun(?:e|ing)|Flux|Gemini|GenAI|Generative|Gemma|Grok|Groq|H100|Hallucination|harness(?:es)?|Hugging\s*Face|LangChain|Llama|LlamaIndex|Midjourney|Mistral|Ollama|OpenAI|OpenRouter|Perplexity|prompt|Qwen|Runway\s*(?:AI|ML)|Gen-[1-4](?:\.5)?|Sora|Synthetic\s*data|token|vibecod|vLLM|Whisper/i)):xpath(. | following-sibling::tr[1])
Note that blocking token, prompt, agent, and harness will also block things like auth tokens, SSH agents.Here's how mine looks using my method:
9 out of 30 posts have been removed.
Any improvements to above filter are welcome.
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And it's "censor", not "censure". To censure AI news would be for Dan and Tom to lodge a formal complaint about it.
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"Folks" doesn't mean what it did mean years ago.
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Even if you don't use AI you may still have to review co-workers using it
Whereas blockchain was just a specific domain
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You're assuming there are human eyes behind all of these accounts. With the rise of AI has also come a precipitous rise in astroturfed views.
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Comment by epihelix 1 day ago
There are always a lot of HN top stories that I'm not interested in, but I just scroll past them. If I really cared, I'd use a community site that provides a filter, an app that provides a filter, or just vibecode one for myself.
Comment by criddell 1 day ago
The community does a pretty good job of following the guidelines and that's helped to suppress the echo chamber effect that any personalization would add to.
AI is novel and exciting and terrifying (my how we live in interesting times!) and all of that will fade with time.
But, like you said, if somebody really wants to change their view of HN, the tools are out there.
Comment by cromka 1 day ago
As others pointed out:
a) HN absolutely does apply weighs to some topics
b) bots
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Comment by dewey 1 day ago
If I would not like to hear about funding rounds when money was cheap, being here 5 years ago wouldn't have been fun.
If I don't like to hear about Go being here 10 years ago would not be fun.
My timelines may be off, but the general industry trends showing up on HN were always there (and it would be weird if they wouldn't).
Comment by cromka 1 day ago
I never said I AM NOT interested in AI. Can you re-read my post with an open mind?
> If I would not like to hear about funding rounds when money was cheap,
> If I don't like to hear about Go being here 10 years ago would not be fun.
I didn't say I don't like hearing about AI. I just don't like NOT HEARING about other stuff!
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No, bud. That's what your projection says. I said clearly I suggest HN curate more or give tools to self-curate.
> The way you're responding
How am I responding?
> makes me dislike your idea even more.
OK.
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I'm glad HN isn't a curated feed, it would end up like all the the others.
Comment by dewey 1 day ago
This kind of defeats the purpose of a link aggregator compared to a human curated newsletter or blog. Maybe something like https://hackernewsletter.com acts as a good filter for you?
There's already the "second chance pool" which is a human bump for interesting posts that didn't get the attention they should (Bad timing, other big news overshadowing, bad title etc.).
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Comment by hannofcart 1 day ago
Keeping abreast of fast moving AI developments with informed opinions/comments for various new models/agents etc. is primarily what I'm here for.
Comment by cromka 1 day ago
But you can get that from some AI-specific sources, it doesn't have to be HN. That's the point, this medium used to be much more universal.
It also means you're new here, because that's not what HN was until quite recently, so your use-case wouldn't work.
Comment by skeledrew 1 day ago
Their account is 2 years older than yours. Doesn't say much since you could've been using another or sans account long before then, but still.
Comment by cromka 1 day ago
If they were indeed coming here before AI revolution, it was a different type of medium.
Comment by hannofcart 14 hours ago
You extrapolated that to assuming that AI news was my only use case.
Am saying that a lot of us like HN the way it is, and the way it has evolved organically into a firehose of AI news.
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AI gets 'that much' tracktion because it is right now the fastest changing technology we have and with the biggest impact day-to-day for a lot of people on hn.
The CVEs from the last few month? Normal topic for hn, it became an AI toopic because AI found them.
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I think part of the problem is people that like AI really like it and those that hate it really hate it. Hard to reconcile that.
Comment by bel8 1 day ago
GitHub or AWS down? New LLM model? Some Apple event? Some famous tech person passed away? Some language achieved 1.0?
I think removing what's currently hot opens a bad precedent.
I suggest using personal filters (or even AI) to curate what you see in HN and the internet itself.
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And asking to filter out the bubble you don't happen to like doesn't look like a solution.
Comment by mg 1 day ago
In that regard AI fits the bill well. Because many of the AI related posts are about tools one can immediately tinker with.
While a new type of laptop cooling might become interesting once the laptops come out, the news is not as interesting to me as a new LLM or agent that I can experiment with right away.
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HN due to its design is easy to read, interact with and modify according to personal preference. How many other sites on the www are like that
A few projects that demonstrate this are mentioned in this thread
These are projects hosted by third parties
One of them uses "AI"
Another asks users to enable Javascript
Another only applies to the /front page
There is also DIY
For example
Transform HN HTML into SQL to create SQL database. This makes it faster and easier to search for interesting information and present it in whatever format the user prefers, all from the command line, no browser needed
Modify the web pages before they reach the browser/client using a local forward proxy. This makes it easy to filter out comments that discuss "AI" and make other cosmetic and substantive changes, for example, using Lua (no "AI" needed)
Use custom command line programs to make submissions and/or replies, instead of using a web browser
These are all DIY projects of mine, written in C (Flex as code generator), Lua and Almquist shell script (no Bash). I use older, underpowered, low spec computers, no "AI"
The discussions of AI hype in HN threads seem to follow a pattern. It goes something like
HN comment: "I dislike AI hype"
HN reply: "I think AI is useful. It saved me time." (sometimes including a personal anecdote)
But "I find AI useful. I like it because [reason(s)] I used it for [project(s)]" does not address the _hype_ issue
It could address a _"usefulness"_ issue but that's not the issue being raised
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Auto-moderation is broken and the human mods are preferential, inconsistent, often harsh, especially to new people or hobbyists, which is pretty discouraging.
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- Global news, AI, Software, Hardware, Explainer, Tech Opinion, Personal project, Misc.
There could even be fake tags like Politics that trigger a message about appropriate topics.
It does increase moderation burden for mislabelling, and introduces another nitpicking point for comments to latch on, so it's not all upsides.
I'd be ok leaving filtering and other UI concerns to extensions.
Comment by dooglius 1 day ago
> Lenovo showed a model that incorporates solid-state air cooling. That technology has been around for a while but it looks like it matured and is production-ready. This allows for super-light and slim designs, which, in turn, should allow for bigger batteries installed and I think it's some sort of breakthrough
See now this sounds like something I'd click on. (The linked article doesn't really discuss any of the technology or engineering though)
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A tagging feature would be nice, but HN is historically very reluctant to introduce new features. I argue that’s a good thing, given its age and the fact that it remains the gold standard for tech community news.
Adding tagging strikes me as a tall order, almost like asking Craigslist to make a major UI change - feature additions threaten the spirit of a beloved platform.
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It's also way too harsh to just remove any mention of LLMs, as some people are suggesting shoehorning adblock filters for for example. I'm interested if GPT9 solved world hunger by presenting logic to world leaders and workers and creating a great collaboration that gets food to everyone. It would be a bit silly to hide that link. But all the tiiiiny incremental steps and projects that are outdated by (often quite literally) next week.... guys, please :/
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If every sane person used this extension, there would be no pushback.
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Can the AI people do anything else than modify the arguments of their opponents? I guess not, their brains have been quantized.
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Answer: Fair. I'll give an honest assessment of the situation. There are a multitude of possible reasons for a user to forget their password. [cut 100 lines of lecture]. Would you like me to introduce you to a secure password manager?
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SIGNS POINT TO YES
Comment by ryankrage77 22 hours ago
I find, depending on the time of day, 30-50% of submissions are about AI. Also, Users who submit AI-related content tend to also submit non-AI-related content - those I tag for non-AI-related content almost never submit AI-related content.
Comment by xutopia 1 day ago
The people promising AGI just 6 months ago are now more and more quiet about the possibility and rightfully so. LLMs alone are most likely not the path to AGI.
Comment by Dlemlo 1 day ago
The Opus moment in November felt very different but despite that, a handful things did not woork well with Opus in November and I tried them last week and they now just work.
In parallel GPT-6 and Fable 5.1 show significant skill improvements in 3D modeling and Astra shows significant progress in computer use.
Do we live in a parallel universe? I mean it, this week was crazy from a progress point of view.
Comment by ChickeNES 1 day ago
This is how I feel too, wandering into some of these threads. Sure the damn things aren't perfect yet, but people act as if they are incapable of doing anything, or no more worth the hype than Bootstrap?? (the latter comes from this very thread!)
Comment by Dlemlo 1 day ago
I now spend $90 this month and do even more now (privat). It might really be a big bias of these people either not spending any time on it or just doing very small experiments and immediadly being put of by some random issue.
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Since Corona this platform has become basically reddid as it was 10-15 yrs ago.
> Meanwhile the legitimately, broadly-hacker stuff gets left out for the most part
Those were pretty much always niche content here. This was- at least until Corona, a forum where you got usually pretty highly intelligent and critical input on various topics, strongly centered around products as a direct consequence of this being the (I think) most successful VC forum.
Pretty much every comment section had me think about something that I hadn't fully understood before. Nowadays? It's extremely rare to see anything remotely insightful. It's mostly just reactionary/knee jerk response, from people that clearly never actually thought about what they're actually talking about/just parroting political points.
I do miss the older content, and I've found myself getting more and more toxic as a consequence of seeing ever less insightful if not downright stupid comments here. Which - if I'm honest - objectively contributes to the problem and I should stop henceforth.
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2. Even though I find most of the AI posts interesting, I agree that tags and the ability to filter by tags would be really great. But it's probably a ton of work and additional system load.
I don't have a
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running live w/ability to set custom tags if you're interested
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https://sprinklz.io/public/pdwt4dve5uai
this is what I use to keep the garbage out
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or Theoretical CS and algorithms.
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While I also somewhat dislike it. I don’t think limiting them resolves the issue.
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Keep both. AI and banning AI are both high-interest topics.
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Previously this site was swamped with Blockchain news...
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Comment by utopiah 1 day ago
Most companies, in software or not, are imposing minimum (after backtracking to suggest to maximized, until their started to pay bills) AI usage. A lot of people in HN also have stocks a lot of popular stocks is linked to AI success, whatever that might mean. A lot of AI entrepreneurs also are directly to sell AI, as it's simply where most of the VC money is currently going.
So... when it's this intertwined I think it will be difficult. If you know of other places I'd be curious.
Comment by amelius 1 day ago
Instead, AI deserves its own field, outside (and, in my taste, far away from) CS.
Comment by Dlemlo 1 day ago
Like a lenovo laptop with a technology which is available for a bit and another product which you can pre-order?
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I would expect them on reddit, kickstarter or hackaday.
Apple always gets quite a lot of tracktion on hn (i don't like it but happens evertime). But lenovo? Framework for sure.
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I have been lurking in lobste even though i dont have account, which currently has this post which is right up my ally.
https://lobste.rs/s/twkkac/fastly_speedtest_test
same thing on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49650630
Comment by hax0ron3 1 day ago
AI is fundamentally transformative to the software development industry and threatens to put large numbers of software developers out of a job. Fable regularly does things in 20 minutes that would have taken me 2 weeks before. AI is probably the biggest revolution in software development since the development of operating systems and high-level languages. It's also potentially a fundamental turning point in the entirety of human history.
So it's no wonder that AI gets a lot of attention.
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There's also an extension and rss feeds.
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There's a lot of focus on in. People are trying it out in their workflows and learning new things.
So, potentially, this could just be organic.
Of course, in reality, it is not. There's a ton of "thought leader" LinkedIn slop, just advertising their own personal brand with at best mid takes. But grifters come with every paradigm shift. Unfortunately.
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But with Hugging Face hack, and Navier–Stokes. You're going to be flooded with news for at least a few more weeks.
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HackerNews, just like all other platforms, is heavily astroturfed and the big AI labs have bots commenting and voting, so it'll never end.
The only solution is a platform that only allows humans, with a proof of humanity before posting anything, but not too sure what that can be, and it would ultimately be unsuccessful.
But we have to see the positive, at least less posts about SQLite make it to the frontpage.
Comment by skeledrew 1 day ago
I'd love to see some proof of this.
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If you have enough karma to flag comments you can also flag them directly from the noobcomments feed, which is useful to help manage the abusive users who keep re-registering new accounts.
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I'm just wondering how you'd do that. Only thing I can see working is a web of trust.
Comment by ItsAdsBro 22 hours ago
The sticks are so far up the asses of the mods here and the top karma folks that no random AI company would be able to get upvoted here. The moment something like that happens outside the in-group, they would get flagged to death.
Instead HN sells propaganda as a product. So we get to hear about Claude, Kagi, and AT Proto every hour of every day :D
Comment by teiferer 1 day ago
I like adjacent articles though. Today https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49656496 was a delight. It would be sad if such articles were filtered out or automatically downvoted or similar.
Comment by skeledrew 22 hours ago
Sounds like something that'll shrink to an insignificant niche over time, rendering it meaningless as a category.
Comment by browningstreet 1 day ago
Tagging may not help though. Even the latest Apple product announcement threads were just.. bad. Everyone wants to be grumpy and dismissive.
If I had to keep one and lose one, I’d keep X and lose HN. And while I hate Elon, HN is losing on vibes, utility, information, network, links, and tips.
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Yesterday there were multitudes of blatant AI slop and AI-slop-fueled misinformation/contrarianism all over the front page. It's not getting caught and flagged fast enough.
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The best communities are ones that do not allow to be taken over by inorganic behavior. I think we can reasonably assume that not all AI front-page stuff is as interesting as other, non-AI stuff, yet here we are.
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It is not. If people here barely see any non-AI content, then that non-AI content doesn't get interacted with, have interesting comments, etc.
Filtering for yourself does not have the same effect as surfacing more non-AI content to everyone.
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https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/hckernews-helper/gm...
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/hcker-news/ https://hcker.news/notes/browser-extension
(Safari ext coming soon)
The extension itself follows the principle of least privilege. It doesn't even have access to the HN site cookie.
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If you want actual technical discussion of other subjects, maybe slashdot is still around.
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The AI is only going to increase on all forums from here. There's no stopping it, because on most forums people will start preferring AI in many areas
Comment by ChrisArchitect 1 day ago
Some recents:
Ask HN: Another "Hacker News" with less AI and more human-focused hacking news?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48834961
Show HN: Hacker News with AI stories filtered out
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49159018
Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48886741
Just a few weeks ago:
How much of HN is AI?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49435728
Also surfacing non-AI projects:
Ask HN: What are you building that's not AI related?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47700460
Ask HN: What are you working on (non-AI)?
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Are lawyers, doctors, and people in non-tech fields getting the same thing? Is Doctor linkedin all about how AI is going to improve surgery while half your connections posts are about being unemployed?
Comment by deadbabe 1 day ago
Someday you will look back and see this as the good old days.
Comment by smt88 1 day ago
A couple of years ago, I felt the same way you did. And then I started properly/seriously using Claude Code. When Opus 4.5 came out, it was sincerely life-changing. I can prototype working projects in possibly 1/30th the time, and I can do them simultaneously.
This post has made me realize that the flood of AI news isn’t annoying or boring to me anymore because I think my profession is the only one that’s actually being replaced by it, for better or worse. For coders, there’s nothing even close to the level of importance as AI (which doesn’t mean it’s interesting).
Honestly I’d like to see more news about AI, but actually about the way it’s devastated the labor side of our industry and will kill the middle classes of countries like India.
Without question, nothing short of the web has been more impactful to our industry specifically than AI has been and will be.
Comment by cake-rusk 1 day ago
This takes all the fun out of programming for me.
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Some of the fun is redirecting coding agents when they get stuck, by showing them code or design they could not work out on their own. Some of the fun is designing tools to rein-in AI coding agents, keep them on track, and verify their outputs. Some of the fun is exploring new areas for me: compilers, game dev, language design, emulators, embedded, etc.
So I am having fun at the CTO/PM/Engineering Manager level but also at the lowest coding level.
I've been coding since the early 70s. This brings back the joy I had discovering microprocessors and electronics.
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Again, the problem is with the flooding that drowns-out other news. I intentionally say "limit the AI news" in this post's title.
Comment by smt88 1 day ago
I was irritated by AI news until it became one of my main tools.
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It’s relevant and current technology.
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For Lenovo, their Yoga was interesting ~15 years ago but Aeroblade is just a proof of concept, and thinner laptops in general are irrelevant to me. I use a powerful laptop and a tablet, not a compromise between them.
Comment by StrLght 1 day ago
Regarding Lenovo: it's the first laptop with AirJet, sure, but it's not the first computer in general. Zotac released a mini PC with the very same AirJet in 2023. It looks dope, but it's just not that interesting or new.
Regarding Brax: Braxman is a well-known scammer. The world would be a better place if nobody paid any attention to this person.
Comment by cromka 1 day ago
Its parameters are! That's the whole point! 830g with regular 30W TDP Lunar Lake is impressive.
> Braxman is a well-known scammer
Which is interesting as I didn't know that and seems like you're right. Still warrants some discussion around those products and even some ad-hominem?
Comment by ofrzeta 1 day ago
Doing some research on "AirJet solid-state cooling" turns up products that have been announced at CES 2023. More info may be found at the Frore Systems homepage. Funy enough Airjets seems to be used in some NVidia systems such as Jetson Orin.
I don't want to shill Apple but my Macbook Air with M4 performs great and never runs the fan (does it have one, I don't know), so the Airjet thing (for me) is pretty much a solution in search of a problem.
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> so the Airjet thing (for me) is pretty much a solution in search of a problem.
That's it? Fan is about noise and nothing else? The much lower volume/dissipation and weight/dissipation ratios, which made this Lenovo latop 830g, which easily allows for some 200-300g of extra battery is a solution in search of a problem?
Sorry, if you don't see this then we have nothing to discuss.
Comment by ofrzeta 1 day ago
My point is that maybe it's better to develop CPUs with less power consumption than to invent new cooling techniques (hence "solution in search of a problem"). This is what Apple silicon does.
Comment by cromka 1 day ago
And why not both? Because that's exactly what's happening. Vapor chambers? Heatsinks before that?
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if i’m not mistaken they might with political subjects, if so, there’s already precedent and so the tech pieces are in place.
i would be against entirely removing it, but limiting it to like 10-20% of the front page would honestly be kind of nice.
it feels like it’s been an ai sausage fest for months and months.
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Fringe topics will stay fringe until they're hip (again?); currently non fringe from my intermittent read:
- anything "AI"
- retro computing (honest interest x mourning/cope in the non-deterministic agentic takeoff)
- random topics that hit the zeitgeist
Check out lobste.rs as well as SIG across forums, IRC, fediverse, discord, etc, etc – and or create your own like in the olden days :)
FWIW I prefer to come here and post, read up and comment on "AI" over having to wade through proxied shitter content (it truly stinks over there).
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Obvious slop comments thankfully already get flagged or downvoted in the hell they belong, but the submissions, oh dear god I do not wish to engage with shit written by AI any more. It's questionable enough if you let LLMs do your coding work for you, but if you can't even be arsed to write a proper README.md on your own, why the fuck should I be forced to waste my time reading it?
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Also HN's design ethos of not having "silos" precludes having tags or filters or blocklists, since they want everyone to see the same content at the same time. This is the kind of thing you're going to have to use with a browser plugin or third party service if you want it at all.
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Top stories (critical and otherwise) were upvoted hundreds of times 4-5 years ago and had hundreds of comments. Sort by the past year, and no story has more than 9 points. NFTS have effectively disappeared from HN's front page.
AI is a different beast ... the tech and concepts have true value. But we may see the term "AI" start to fade as new terminology and companies and concepts rise to the fore ... the Sons/Daughters of AI.