'Lake America' makes one thing clear: We can't trust U.S. tech companies

Posted by Teever 1 hour ago

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Comment by sokoloff 16 minutes ago

The executive orders are ridiculous/childish/whatever-you-call-this. That aside, if they have any legal effect, I’d expect a map company to call a feature by its legal name.

Should a rendering of the land bordering the Southwest corner of the Black Sea show the city of Istanbul? Or must it remain depicted as Constantinople? Or perhaps even Byzantium?

Comment by capnjazz 19 minutes ago

Hmmm, I feel like it would also be problematic if Google and Apple acted as unelected geographic authorities and deciding which names are politically legitimate

Comment by k310 1 hour ago

Google and Apple (soon) make foldable phones.

And why not? Their CEO's are foldable as well.

"Don't be Evil"

Folded.

So here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. Here’s to you.

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Comment by davesque 24 minutes ago

And then he wanted New Mexico to be New America. Capitulation is not just about what they're asking for now, but also what they'll be emboldened to ask for in the future.

Comment by GMoromisato 3 minutes ago

I personally would rather have a democratically-elected government--no matter how awful--pick names rather than have corporations pick names.

Also, I was curious, so I looked it up: Congress passed a law (Public Law 80-242) in 1947 that allowed the executive branch to establish a single set of geographic names.

Conservatives famously protested when the Obama administration renamed Mt. McKinley to Denali. I have no doubt that when a Democratic administration returns to power, they will rename a bunch of stuff, now that the precedence is set.

My guess is we're going to go through a ping-pong of renames before the law gets changed to require some kind of independent group, or a super-majority of senators or something.

Comment by Varelion 20 minutes ago

STOP. RELYING. ON. THE. UNITED. STATES. AND. ITS. ECONOMIC. SYSTEM.

Build and trade amongst yourselves instead of relying on this house of cards. Buy European. Buy Canadian.

Comment by throwaway894345 9 minutes ago

As an American, I wonder if Trump succeeds in giving away so much of America's economic and military power to other countries, will it make America a less interesting target for corrupting interests? Maybe the billionaires and foreign governments will invest less money in corrupting our system if it's not the global hegemon?

Comment by kashunstva 54 minutes ago

As a Canadian living in Canada, I see “Lake Ontario.” in Apple Maps. All good. No idea what Google shows because I don’t knowingly use Google products. But I do see the ridiculous “Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)” I don’t care what Apple shows inside of U.S. borders but dragging the rest of the world into the clown show is unnecessary.

Although I haven’t much thought through the details, I wonder if these disputed names could be subject to user preference. Basically, a pre-MAGA and MAGA setting.

Comment by al_borland 34 minutes ago

I’m in the US, near the Canadian boarder, I see both names show up. Lake Ontario shows up larger and when zoomed out. Lake America shows up smaller as I zoom in. I suppose some of this could be a cacheing issue, hard to say.

At the end of the day a map provider has the responsibility to show the official names of places on a map. If it’s one name to the US and another name for the rest of the world, the pragmatic solution is to show the “right” name based on a user’s location.

This seems like a silly hill to die on, when whoever is in office next will likely revert the names of the lake and the Gulf of Mexico, unless they are deep in the Trump camp.

Messing with maps as a negotiation tactic seems rather boneheaded. It’s extremely disruptive, but blaming Google or Apple for any of this is a bad move, imo. There are much bigger fights to be had and they need to pick their battles. This isn’t it, and it will likely resolve itself in time, and should only impact those in the US, if done right.

Comment by marcosdumay 17 minutes ago

> At the end of the day a map provider has the responsibility to show the official names of places on a map.

Not really. They have the responsibility to show the useful names. They are also free to show whatever the local bully forces them to.

Neither of those is necessarily the official name.

Comment by al_borland 10 minutes ago

And they do both. When I search for Lake Ontario in both Google and Apple Maps, I get to the right place.

I’m not sure what the problem is.

Comment by vkou 27 minutes ago

> It’s extremely disruptive, but blaming Google or Apple for any of this is a bad move, imo

They have the capacity to push back, instead of pre-emptively rolling over for an autocrat.

Comment by al_borland 18 minutes ago

Google and Apple don’t name things. If the official name inside the US is Lake America, they are only hurting their users by delaying the change, as the map will no longer be in line with the reality the users are living in and things they need to look up.

When it’s only one thing, you might say everyone just knows, but that doesn’t scale.

And like I mentioned, they need to pick their battles. I’d rather them save their politics and favors for things like encryption and privacy, not piss it away on map data, when they can show both names and this will likely be a small footnote in history. In 20 years I can imagine, “What was the name of Lake Ontario for a brief period in the mid 2020s?” Being a question asked at bar trivia.

Comment by tfwnopmt 51 minutes ago

mapquest is from the US too

Comment by ebbi 35 minutes ago

I remember when tech news sites used to (rightfully) harp on about Chinese tech companies and how they should not be trusted given they satisfy every whim of the CCP.

But now large tech companies in America can't even challenge the naming of a Lake and just folded, meekly.

Comment by ModernMech 32 minutes ago

Amazing how eager they were to do this, and not a week later he's talking about renaming the Strait of Hormuz, New Mexico, and claimed to own the Moon. I wonder if he renames the Moon to Trump, will Google rename Google Moon to Google Trump? Will they rename New Mexico to New America? Will Google rename Tuesday to Trumpday if Trump demands it? Probably yes, the consensus seems to be it's their duty to do so.

Comment by jmclnx 25 minutes ago

Personally I believe you cannot trust the US Gov. since Citizens United. This seems not only to allow the rich to purchase politicians, but under Trump it allows the current administration to extort companies.

So, companies can easily pay Trump for favors with out any consequences, but they just need to keep the money train going and kowtow to Trump's insane whims.

Comment by add-sub-mul-div 44 minutes ago

Another way to look at it is that when adults are back in charge, we can trust tech companies will fall in line with them too.

Comment by toss1 30 minutes ago

That is not helpful.

That makes them only useful as windsocks, and there are other far better ways to see which way the wind is blowing.

Comment by EA-3167 18 minutes ago

If you want symbolic resistance I suggest you look to sources other than multinational corporations for it. Their job is to make money and not stick their foot in any bear traps, our job is to not elect maniacs multiple times.

Lets not cross the streams just because it would be convenient this time... next time it may well not be.

Comment by mikepurvis 21 minutes ago

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