To write non-fiction, draw the trunk, then the rest of the tree
Posted by DanielVZ 4 days ago
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Comment by TaLiTr 2 days ago
> This is what my Ancient History II professor told me when my group and I got our final group project essay handed out.
What a terrible, hack of a teacher. If you've ever said something like that to a student, quit your job. Those people are the reason academia is such a miserable experience for so many.
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Comment by bsder 1 day ago
I'm not trying to test whether the best student knows the material; I'm trying to test whether all the students know the material.
As the person who regularly carried such groups when I was in high school and college, I was especially sensitive to this.
Comment by pessimizer 2 days ago
So I'd say that you shouldn't say that if you're relying on your own feelings and impressions to judge facts not in evidence, because your instincts may be wrong. They may even be racist or sexist (i.e. something that the person you're maligning has to deal with constantly), instead of in this case when it was just a weakness for ass-kissers.
Too many times somebody else got a good grade from my work. I don't begrudge them the grade because I don't care when other people get nice things for free (I love it when me or my friends get nice things for free), but they certainly had no knowledge in what had been taught in the class they just got a B in.
> Those people are the reason academia is such a miserable experience for so many.
School isn't a therapy session or entertainment. If it's a miserable experience and you come out smart, it's 1000x better than if its a wonderful experience and you come out dumb.
Comment by tikhonj 2 days ago
Comment by TaLiTr 2 days ago
That's exactly my point. That teacher didn't have any facts, they just decided someone was a slacker based on vibes and used that bias to single them out. And presumably would go on to add systems to allow them to persecute others they deem to be slackers.
> School isn't a therapy session or entertainment. If it's a miserable experience and you come out smart, it's 1000x better than if its a wonderful experience and you come out dumb.
As someone who gets told he's smart somewhat regularly by his peers, and had a school mandated therapist because they thought he was a suicide risk, I believe that's a statement that needs a citation.
In any case they're not mutually exclusive, you can have an education system that works without grinding people down into lifelong anxiety disorders.
Comment by gowld 2 days ago
According to the story (which seemed to lack a "trunk"), the proposed system was individual essays.
Comment by tolerance 1 day ago
It almost reads like the author climbed the tree to shake its branches and content himself with whatever dropped. Which in this case is fine by me.
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Comment by strken 1 day ago
I'm not saying it has to be sunshine and rainbows all the time, but if you actually genuinely hate it then that's a worse outcome than being a blank slate. A blank slate can pick up a book at 25 and go follow their interest down the rabbit hole, maybe even go to uni. If you had a bad first experience then good luck unlearning all of it and getting back to the point where you're excited about art history or whatever. I also don't believe you can find something miserable the entire time and come out smarter for it.
Comment by delis-thumbs-7e 21 hours ago
Few observations: 1) it says for noj-fiction, but I think the trunk analogy is even more prescient in fiction. The Invisible Ink by Brian McDonald basically just hammers on this over and over again: know what you want to say and say it. 2) the author does not say it directly, but it is obvious that he learned to write the right way: by reading. You must read to be able to write. Just going througha few writing manuals won’t do, you must go the woods to find trees kemosabe. Fell in love with an author. Read all types of texts. Good writing is good writing.
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Comment by DanielVZ 1 day ago
I like these abrupt switches that tie-in later. Kind of like a b-roll but in text.
Comment by delis-thumbs-7e 21 hours ago
>In history I noticed that articles tended to be introduced with some narrative that illustrated the central idea, then consolidated it through arguments that were in turn exemplified by historical facts and narrative, in order to end up explicitly stating the conclusion at the end. (This is a huge simplification but you get the idea). So for my essays I followed the same structure that the required reading had. That way I made sure that professors would like the style and pace.
The author was able to pass courses although the prof’s hated him thank to his skills as a writer and his style, which later allowed him to proceed to data engineering. The trunk here is explaining how he writes.
Comment by FLeXMurphy 1 day ago
Arguably if HN is to use LLMs to curate and administer submissions and comments (which it has been doing already), one would hope they can short-circuit this for all of us and scan the article/blog post, providing a summary directly underneath the submission/comment reply box. Reason being is, a lot of the time many paragraphs are spent belaboring one or two points that would best work in a tl;dr way and jump over these narrative passages, framings and backstories that serve very little to the points themselves.
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— Long time subscriber.
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this is top tier writing. thanks for sharing
Comment by arrowleaf 1 day ago
"Good teaching requires alternating between two views, going up and down levels of detail. Sometimes you zoom out and give students one word for a big idea, calling a whole chain of events a "collapse." This 'Nomiinalization' lets them hold the idea in mind instead of the whole story. But summary words alone can lose students, the abstract loses meaning as details are forgotten. So you zoom back in with examples, stories, pictures, concrete cases. Those reinforce the idea of the summary word."
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Comment by firefoxd 2 days ago
I usually use the example of a blue sky. Write that the sky is blue. That's it. Simple yet the temptations to paint the sky with clouds, trees, and emotions is hard to resist. Always come back to the writing, and endure that you clearly wrote that the sky is just blue.
Comment by tolerance 1 day ago
But I'm a little disappointed that one of those ink blot looking circles (preferably the big one on the left) did not lead back to the home page.
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Your site isn't the only with this "feature" that I've seen lately, not sure what's up with this pattern.
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