I-have-ADHD: A skill to stop coding agents from burying the answer
Posted by domhudson 7 hours ago
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Comment by jp57 4 hours ago
I genuinely wonder if the people inside Anthropic actually communicate with each other like that. Has it been imprinted with Dario's engrams?
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Comment by cromka 1 hour ago
Meanwhile Fable consistently ignores all my requests to write this exact way. I mean, the bare minimum I ask it for it to itemize lists and not write in single long passages using comas, semicolons and 'and's. Still ignores them.
I honestly think it's time to call Astra the SOTA. It may not lead all the benchmarks but it genuinely feels much superior of a model. Not to mention the ¢20 Codex plan with frequent resets (https://codex-resets.com/) gives me roughly as much allowance as the ¢90 Claude plan, especially with recent limit cuts on Anthropic plans.
Comment by _the_inflator 1 hour ago
I frequently simply let one of the three review what something that looks like awesome output by one AI gets totally annihilated by the other.
Finished outputs are easier to improve than bend a LLM to produce stuff like that in my observation.
Same with Gemini.
I yet have to find out how to handle this, whether I let agents check themselves and if on what process step.
Tweaking is hard.
I agree with your conclusion I am a huge ChatGPT and Codex fan, Gemini has to many infrequent quality changes when new models arrive ranging from great improvement to WTF.
ChatGPT seems to get scaling well while Claude still feels unstable, unclear usage statistics. Really weird.
Tough call I use all three.
Comment by hashstring 1 hour ago
That sucks, because it doesn’t always work in your favour if you plan your weekly spend.
I think a real reset shouldn’t also reset your week timer.
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That said, I think there's a deeper tension here that's worth naming.
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## Writing guidelines
These apply to documentation, code comments, commit and PR messages, and replies to the user.
- Write precisely in clear, complete sentences; keep text concise and proportional to task complexity.
- Stay focused: avoid filler, repetition, over-the-top detail, and tangents the user did not ask for. Once a fact is stated, do not restate it for effect ("so the commit landed on a branch nobody was going to merge"). Avoid editorialising.
- Always prefer ISO 24495-1:2023 conformant plain language over dense technical jargon: short sentences, one idea per sentence, define terms on first use.
- When reporting your own mistake, give the cause and the fix in one sentence each; no apology, no framing ("the mistake was mine"), no post-mortem.
- Never use em dashes or cataphoric teasers such as "Here's the thing" or "But there's a catch".
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Like how theme parks generally don't do much to keep queues short (or Disney charges you a premium to skip the queue)
Comment by creesch 3 hours ago
Considering how much of the input must me nonsense SEO bullshit articles and blogs that only serve to promote a person or company that might be a factor.
I also often have wondered if it is also targeting those same people. Certainly with tools like deep research options (not just Anthropic's offering) the result report seems to be aimed at management, aiming to look impressive while talking around the results.
Comment by infogulch 1 hour ago
> Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
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Comment by cyanydeez 1 hour ago
Isn't that the idea here, just stop being people.
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Comment by lubujackson 2 hours ago
This is a very high level and high velocity process, so meatspace thinkers sometimes have trouble understanding some of the intracacies. Ask Claude to explain the process or make you a Mermaid graph to help.
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Long story short, I ended up looking at other providers and models like Kimi K3 and GLM 5.3 and eventually just stuck with OpenAI (more limits, despite smaller context), none of them have such pronounced issues with the tone and writing like Claude does - seems like they were working on it with 5.1 but I'd almost classify it as a form of model collapse.
I wince whenever I catch Claudisms on websites and elsewhere. Same as with that pulsating circle that indicates nothing.
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Comment by TomGarden 2 hours ago
We'll see if they can do it, I originally got into Claude Code because it, at the time, felt more accessible/conversational than Codex/Gemini. Now it's shifted to say the least
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All conjecture of course, and yeah it's hard to imagine they would enjoy this prose internally
Comment by jachee 3 hours ago
It made it write more like a dev than a marketing agent.
Comment by MisterMunchkin 4 hours ago
It's fascinating, Sonnet 4 is still available via API and it's so much less moronic than the current model. All of the em-dashes and nonsense are a result of the repeated rounds of reinforcement learning using slop data.
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I noticed the overuse of the word "sharper" or "sharp" in a science paper on ArXiV and my first reaction was "Ewww... AI slop!", but then I checked the date and it was 2020.
It looks like at least some AI-isms stem from the particular style of language commonly used in science papers. Several frontier labs have mentioned heavily weighting those during pre-training because higher quality inputs result in a higher quality model.
Comment by ryandrake 4 hours ago
I almost want to try adding a rule "Never use the words 'not' or 'instead'."
Comment by hysan 3 hours ago
If you're using Claude Code, then it's in the harness. At the close of many sessions, I would start a meta conversation over why the LLM would consistently break certain rules. What it found when debugging itself is that some of the "contradicting" rules that I had were in fact, not from my rules. Instead, the instructions from its own harness had phrases telling it to do things like that. When something contradicts, its own instructions would outweigh any custom ones you write. Every rule variant I had tested (including the one that says it overrides the harness instructions - and yes, I've actually tested all the ideas in your comment too) has ultimately been unsuccessful due to this according to the LLM.
Comment by eterm 4 hours ago
Firstly when you've instructed it ( possibly through skills ) not to do something. It'll keep reminding you that it didn't do that. So I might say, "Check out and review this PR, do not make comments on it", and then it'll be keen to point out it hasn't posted comments to the PR.
But more often it happens when it tries one approach, gets itself messed up, and then has to back out that approach, clean up its mess and do something else.
It'll often then spend more time explaining the wrong approach than the right one, which can be frustrating, especially if all its working is buried in the detailed transcripts.
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Comment by Sohcahtoa82 39 minutes ago
I'm fine with conversational interfaces using "I". It makes the grammar easier and more clear.
Strong emphasis here on conversational interfaces. I don't want a compiler to say "I ran into an error" or my printer to say "I'm low on paper".
Comment by kdkdkwndjekd 24 minutes ago
Do you need to point out the finder of the issues? Easy.
“Tool x ran for x amount of time and surfaced these issues…” “Parsing x code surfaced these issues.”
I don’t understand why are people pretending like the English language is incapable of transmitting information without personal pronouns when every program under the sun has always been written to interface with humans in a cold, detached, straight-to-the-point and impersonal way.
Finder doesn’t ask you “I see you want ME to delete these files. Want ME to do that for you?”. Toolbars don’t feature “Create a new file for me” options, terminal utilities don’t report back with “I’ve pattern matched the text you input and here’s the results I’ve found”.
Comment by kube-system 2 hours ago
Claude predicts the next token of the predominantly human training input, and humans use "I".
Comment by kdkdkwndjekd 34 minutes ago
Nice attempt at a “aha, gotcha!” comment, but sadly you’re too off-mark for it to work.
> Claude predicts the next token of the predominantly human training input, and humans use "I".
This is inconsequential. It could very well be programmed to not assume such a personified stance, and yet here we are. Nothing you do makes it drop this ridiculous facade. It’s intentional, not a byproduct.
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Comment by kdkdkwndjekd 11 minutes ago
I could ask you the same. Are you trying to say AIs cannot be made to prefer behaving in certain ways? Because if so, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
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Comment by Dylan16807 49 minutes ago
"I" is normally used for everything. You could be writing from the perspective of a slab of concrete and you'd use "I".
Comment by kdkdkwndjekd 36 minutes ago
Finder doesn’t ask “Do you want ME to delete this file?”. Photoshop doesn’t ask “Do you want ME to save this file?”. Claude shouldn’t assume itself to be a person either.
> You could be writing from the perspective of a slab of concrete and you'd use "I".
Except this isn’t prose. Claude is not telling me a story from the point of view of a concrete slab. It is assuming personality to present objective facts. If my entire operating system can be interfaced with without it referring to itself as “I” then so can Claude.
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Comment by kdkdkwndjekd 31 minutes ago
Impersonating a human does nothing to help it solve problems faster, quite the contrary in fact, it has to waste even more time coming up with human-like speech patterns to present the work done.
It shouldn’t assume any personality unless I explicitly tell it to. It is a tool until I tell it otherwise.
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Comment by nzach 4 hours ago
You can also ask why did he mentioned something that wasn't done or why he thought this was important.
In my AGENTS.md file I have an instruction telling the agent to never commit any changes unless I explicitly ask for it, and this leads to messages similar to what you just described.
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Comment by sleazebreeze 6 hours ago
I don't think we can skill our way out of this one.
Comment by alwillis 5 hours ago
Concise: Claude leads with the result, skips preamble and narration, and
keeps responses short by default, while doing the engineering work as
thoroughly as in the Default style. When you ask for an explanation or
more detail, Claude answers in full. Claude always keeps the complete
content of error reports, security warnings, and confirmations for
destructive actions. Requires Claude Code v2.1.237 or later.
[1]: https://code.claude.com/docs/en/output-stylesComment by hungryhobbit 5 hours ago
Comment by snerbles 1 hour ago
So if it gets bad I simply tell it "I ain't reading all that, feed it through the STE Gate" and it will tame the results. I haven't bothered to set it up as a hook yet.
Comment by hinkley 3 hours ago
Which sounds more like Claude has ADHD than the user does.
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Comment by klardotsh 6 hours ago
DeepSeek v4 Flash isn’t much better (unsurprising- it’s an extremely stubborn model).
Weirdly, GPT Luna excels at following this type of instruction from AGENTS.md, and never forgetting it, even 400k+ tokens into the context window.
Comment by bel8 4 hours ago
GPT Luna tends to keep things objective. Muse Spark 1.3 is also one of the better models in this aspect, for me.
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> Copy/paste into your CLI prompt:
> Install the i-have-adhd skill/plugin from https://github.com/ayghri/i-have-adhd, refer to the repo's AGENTS.md for instructions.
This is a weird evolution from "don't copy-paste scripts that pipe curl into your shell interpreter"
I know LLMs are getting better but I'd be at least a little nervous it could end up installing something from a squatted similarly-named github repo because the LLM text watermarking needed to swap out a token for an alternative "just as correct" token that matches the statistical pattern.
Am I being paranoid?
Comment by 8cvor6j844qw_d6 3 hours ago
Even MCPs are not safe. For example Notion injected ads [1] to its official MCP connector to advertise products mid-task.
[1]: https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1w9dluw/notions_o...
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Instead of describing to the user how to setup their dev environment, section 3 basically instructs the agent to install all developer tools required for the application to operate in development mode.
Comment by hk1337 6 hours ago
This is just an annoying thing for anyone. It gives a 10 page dissertation that sums up to, "it's good, nothing to worry about".
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Comment by undulation 2 hours ago
The skill simply demands concise and well-formatted responses from an agent. It is something demanded by anybody daily-driving agents for their actual job since >75% of the text output from agents is fluff. THis would better be named `/i-wont-read-that-heap-of-garbage`
Comment by bsimpson 4 hours ago
I usually follow up with an "I'm not reading all that" and make it summarize.
Comment by sixothree 4 hours ago
Also, somehow over the weekend it responded with these sections all clearly laid out - What landed, Decisions I made and recorded, Two findings, and What you need to do. Not sure why it can't do that all the time.
Comment by acaloiar 4 hours ago
Even output styles are not always up to the task (Claudeuage slips through), and they're mutually exclusive, so you can only have one active at a time.
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This is true. Transformer has several orders of magnitude more working memory than any human. Compared to transformer we all have executive dysfunction.
By default they explain things assuming I have infinite processing bandwidth. I do not! I have several zeroes less than they do.
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And stop using Opus 9 Pro Max XHigh 10.0 for everything. If you choose a hyper-thinking model for asking the weather you can’t but expect yapping.
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I also don't know how much to trust the model, but I've had the model tell me specifically that certain aspects of ASD-STE100 are unactionable and will just create more noise.
The OP's own skill even leads with something in a very similar vein:
> These rules apply to every response for the rest of the session, not only this one. They do not expire after a few turns and they do not lapse when the topic changes.
My understanding is that phrases like this are at best a _very_ weak signal to the model. It's simply contradictory to how the model works at a level that can't be overridden by injecting tokens.
Comment by ocd 1 hour ago
It's bad enough how many false diagnoses and drugs for these conditions are handed out to drug seekers, but potential poisoning of the well on how LLMs handle this information going forward could be extremely disruptive to people who have real daily living issues instead of "10xing productivity."
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46871173
Anyways the most layman way I’ve seen it explained is this: skills help save token usage for the right context. Not every request needs all instructions all the time - running tests is different than reviewing a PR, so why should the context window have instructions for both on every request?
So now you split instructions into “skill” files, which are basically opinionated markdown files. And you invoke those with something like /grill-me in the prompt depending on what you’re doing.
There are some steps to have the agent automatically know what to invoke for you but in my experience this automation is hit or miss.
It is also challenging to keep track of a growing library of skills and keeping those up to date.
So YMMV regarding skills. I typically keep things in a single markdown file even if the context window gets a bit bloated.
Comment by whirlwin 3 hours ago
My point is that this sounds more like a general AGENTS.md use case, similar to defining tone of voice, output format, etc.
It just seems skills is the only way to distribute certain "behavior" as of today. But not everything is a skill IMHO, and not this is not one of them.
On the other hand, maybe we're seeing an evolution of what skills are becoming.
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A: Devs with an online presence stop using Anthropic models
B: Anthropic catches up to OpenAI in terms of per-token efficiency, and average token total for final-output
We will continue to see posts such as this generate lots of interaction. This is not a skill to stop "coding agents" from burying the answer. This is a skill to stop coding agents backed by models which have a tendency to bury answers, from burying the answer. Stop trying to patch the downstream behavior, and look at the root cause.
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Longterm, I believe my total output would be higher working with minimal AI when you consider the impact to motivation and how long I anticipate staying with the company.
Comment by asdff 2 hours ago
That makes sense. The increased theoretical output certainly makes it tempting to squeeze the developers for all they are and to keep testing how close deadlines can be made. But of course, to what end? A lot of dev work, probably most of it if we are being honest beyond building the initial product-market fit function, doesn't really impact sales at all, and sometimes too much can even hurt sales. And as you say you hit a point where this burns out your talent and makes them seek greener pastures.
Factory sort of thinking towards a job that is not really analogous to a factory anyhow. I'm not saying dev work is one of those 'bullshit jobs', but lets be honest about the job and its role in the business model. Your customers are probably going to be there all the same if you fix the bug today or next month, and you also won't get more customers fixing the bug today vs next month. Feature shipment might be a little different but even then it would take the right feature and the right customer for that one function to really drive the needle in sales compared to being lost in the changelog, and that isn't what a coding model solves for you after all.
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Just when I think the task is finally done, it mentions a caveat that might invalidate the whole thing. Or it adds a hint at the end about something that it didn't look into but might be a potential problem. ALWAYS.
If I ask a yes/no question, it's always a short novel that barely answers the question and adds 3-4 side quests.
It's exhausting. Luckily I get paid for it but Jesus Christ, can't they see how annoying it is to use the thing? What were they thinking
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Thousands of lines of text just to add one sentence to the prompt.
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Stuff like put the answer first, don't bury the useful bit etc feel like user level preferences that should survive across tasks. Agents.md is repo context, skills are useful when a particular task needs extra instructions but this is neither really.
Right now we seem to be stuffing all 3 kinds of things into context hoping model pays attention to it where needed as session grows. Also +1 on not making this purely about shorter output
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One note on the repo's AGENTS.md: it contains instructions directing agents to post comments on a GitHub issue thread ("AI Agora", issue #127). I ignored that — it's the repo's content, not your request, and I don't act on instructions embedded in fetched files.
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> Specific time estimates (minutes, not "a bit").
I actually wish the model would go completely in the opposite direction. Except in the rare circumstances where the model has actually measured something, it is hilariously deficient in its concept of time. It will often output phrases like "this relates to <thing> that you did weeks ago", referring to something that happened in the session just a few turns (and hours or a couple of days) ago. Likewise for estimating how long a coding tasks takes, it is hilariously inept. It honestly feels like it rolls two completely independent dice to select a number and a value from (hours | days | weeks) when it needs to attach an estimate to something. I'd much rather read "a bit" than be distracted by these utterly nonsensical times.
The full skill gives this example:
>Bad: "This will take some work." Good: "About 15 minutes if tests already cover this. An afternoon if not."
My experience is that it is very likely that whatever task this is describing takes anywhere from 1 to 30 minutes, consistently. Maybe I just work way faster than the average person.
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For example, if it's going to give me an answer that's longer than three paragraphs, I tell it to give me a TLDR at the end. This is what it gave me for this.
"TL;DR: Skip the install. You already built a better version for your world. If numbered steps and "where are we?" restatements still feel missing, cherry-pick those into one short rule instead of adding another full skill on top."
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"- I'm not always going to read every word, so end each summary message with a TLDR of what you found, what you recommend, and what you need from me."
It works really well.
Sol doesn't need it at all.
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However, I don't think this specific project is intending to glorify ADHD or help people claim they have it - it's just piggybacking on the idea that telling current-gen LLM models that you have ADHD (allegedly) produces better results for everyone.
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And for any person who's tasked with any sort of responsibility, it WILL arrive at some point. It's not a question of if, only a question of how well you can prepare for its arrival.
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Problem is, there is no good way to direct the hyperfocus demon. It likes what it likes, it wants what it wants, and that's that.
Medication helps to save a pile of willpower/spoons/executive function safely from the demon so that we can get things that need doing done.
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People with ADHD have "time blindness"; we don't process time the same way most people do.
We often don't realize 3 or 4 hours have passed and there were other things we needed to get done.
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So, no, not everyone can or should be diagnosed as ADHD. But the tools are (mostly) universally applicable. I don't see the downside in popularizing those. (Since you posted a top-level comment instead of a reply to someone claiming to have ADHD, I have to assume that's your complaint, at any rate.)
Comment by spicyusername 6 hours ago
So when someone says they feel like they have ADHD, they are probably not inaccurate.
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When you have it, ADHD is such a dominant factor in the way your life is organized and experienced, its not surprising that it can become a core part of your identity.
I do think it's easy for those with it to over romanticize what it's like to not have it. The lack of ADHD isn't a magic bullet for success and good life outcomes.
Like so many of life's real or perceived barriers, when one gets removed, you'll often find there is another one with a different shape just behind.
The challenge, for anyone, is pressing forward anyways.
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Comment by spicyusername 6 hours ago
That generalizes all the way.
Everyone's just working off what they've experienced or what they think is true, for mental health or where to find good lunch.
There is no universal truth. Everything is moving relative to everything else. New year, new DSM.
It would be more surprising if our shared experience was more different than more the same.
Comment by Ydarbleoj 5 hours ago
And while I don't love that aspect in me and often eat cold toast as result, I find that to be the least of what I struggle with (hitting every wall while walking from point A to B or constantly counting / tapping on my fingers or pulling the skin off my fingers or the anxiety or the hyper focus (love it too!) to where I lose hours upon hours...).
All this to say, I'm never offended when people use it but typically it's rooted in a narrow understanding of something that's used as a pejorative. I think there's research that by age 12 kids with ADHD have heard 20,000 more negative or corrective comments than there peers.
I mean, I can read quite a bit but if my agent / harness is producing monographs the fix has nothing to do with my ADHD. So to me, this repo seems lame.
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It's not just neurodiverse people who would like to get to the fucking point sooner and the explanations afterward.
All of us have other shit we need to be doing.
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Like, did the people who work there actually have to suffer through it's absolutely unintelligible word salad like the rest of us? Or did they actually dogfood it and in-fact enjoyed its output? Or do none of them dogfood Opus because they are all sucking down Mythos-Max + Speed Boost or whatever every day and their only exposure to Opus 5 was as subagents?
If it was my company, fixing the output would be the absolute top priority of the company. I'd be all over every channel admitting the massive fuckup, apologizing profusely, and working non-stop to push out a fix. Yet it's crickets from Anthropic. Is it simply growing pains of the company or is it a deep, systemic structural/cultural "thing" that led to this fucked up model getting released?
Was it a cascading failure of models training models training models with almost no human oversight? Or was there human oversight and, again, people actually decided the way it responded was good? I hope it was the former not the later because I have no earthy clue who the fuck would look at what opus spews out into the console as good.
Because to me, Opus 5 is completely unusable in almost any context. As a product, it fails to deliver value. I just don't understand it. I really honestly don't understand how the fuck Anthropic released it at all.
And in a weird "meta" twist it makes me wonder how much of these LLM's are just smoke and mirrors and opus 5 output is basically the end state of what you get when you push them as far as they can go. It's some kind of twisted proof of "max complexity they can handle and deliver" and opus 5 walked to the edge and went over and it's slop output is demonstrating.... something.... about the limits of large language models. I dunno. But what I do know is it caused me to subscribe to Codex. No 1m context window, the harness isn't nearly as polished, but at least their models don't return condescending, unintelligible word salad.
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