Germany's far-right AfD projected to win

Posted by hasley 1 day ago

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Comment by Hackbraten 1 day ago

Misleading title. The correct title is: Germany’s far-right AfD projected to win eastern state but unclear if it will be able to govern

Please fix.

Comment by hasley 1 day ago

The complete title is "Germany’s far-right AfD win historic victory, but fall short of majority in Saxony-Anhalt".

How can I change the title?

Apart from this, "winning" an election is not the same as actually becoming the government.

Comment by hasley 1 day ago

I feel so angry with and ashamed of my own country in a way I cannot even find words for.

Comment by 0bytes 1 day ago

Merz is von Papen 2.0. The same arrogance and overestimation of himself, a textbook old white man.

Comment by throwawaypath 1 day ago

You should look in the mirror and ask yourself why you're so angry and ashamed of democracy.

Comment by hackyhacky 22 hours ago

Were you pleased with the functioning of Germany democracy in 1932?

Comment by throwawaypath 21 hours ago

No one who's cracked a history book open was pleased with that. Nazis were not elected democratically in the traditional sense; they never won a majority in a free national election. You're following me around in the comments because you're crashing out about being proven wrong here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49546137

Comment by Arodex 19 hours ago

They won 43.9% of the vote in 1933, the last free election until they were militarily crushed.

Remind me the score of the AfD today?

Comment by throwawaypath 18 hours ago

>They won 43.9% of the vote in 1933, the last free election until they were militarily crushed.

Undemocratically outlawing the opposition to secure the vote...

>Remind me the score of the AfD today?

Remind me of party that is calling to undemocratically outlaw the opposition to secure the vote?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/germanys-social-democrats-back-pr...

Comment by Arodex 7 hours ago

>Undemocratically outlawing the opposition to secure the vote...

You are cute in thinking your argument holds, but they were not that far (33, 37%) without outlawing the opposition - which were communists directed by Stalin. You profess your hate of the left in all your other posts; if you were in 1933, would you really mind?

>Remind me of party that is calling to undemocratically outlaw the opposition to secure the vote?

The law that would allow to ban the AfD is there since 1949. Reflect why. And also reflect why Germany is a constitutional democracy and not just a democracy.

Comment by hackyhacky 20 hours ago

> they never won a majority in a free national election.

They legally won a plurality in the Bundestag, which is sufficient for Hitler to be legally appointed chancellor, which made everything that follows legal. Like it or not, the Nazi regime was a legal result of democracy. Democracy, neither then nor now, requires an absolute majority, which is why so many European governments are formed as coalitions.

AfD did not win a majority in Saxony-Anhalt either. Nevertheless, a person can justifiably feel disappointed by the democratic outcome, both then and now, without being dismissive of democracy itself.

> You're following me around in the comments

I am doing my part to eliminate misinformation and stupidity in the world. You're welcome.

Comment by mrtksn 1 day ago

It appears that every 5th or 2nd German likes them a lot, depending on the state. Why is that?

Is Russia going the have Soviets 2.0 where this time the Orthodox Church is part of the administration and Germany will be Nazi Germany 2.0 but this time Jews and Homosexuals are welcome?

Comment by lukan 1 day ago

They don't like them. They just hate everything established more. Reasons: Migration Crisis, Corona, ... bitterness about the world in general.

Comment by mrtksn 1 day ago

Are you sure about that? Landslide surely implies dissatisfaction with the others but it also implies tolerance. Apparently Germany will give it a go. The turnout is extremely high, they didn’t just not go voting, they actively showed up for AfD.

Comment by lukan 1 day ago

Since I live in a area with high AfD support, yes I am sure that they don't "like" this party in the usual sense you would use that word. For some it is rather cult like, they are united in hate, in not much else. If they really would succed and take power - they would start bloody infighting very, very quickly (it shows quite often already).

Comment by 0bytes 1 day ago

Calling it a cult fits quite well. Like Trump supporters, AfD can do anything. They do a different style of politics? Sure, they aren’t like the “old parties”, their budget is projected to have a 2 billion deficit? But the “old parties” are increasing the debt as well. Arguments are bent beyond recognition. Facts don’t matter. The term “pigeon chess” was coined for taking with AfD: while you comply to the strict rules of the game, the pigeon just randomly moves pieces, throwing some off, and shits on the board.

Comment by mrtksn 1 day ago

How much would you say that US billionaires can be credited for this? It’s very weird to watch US billionaires, UK right wingers, Putin and other long time rulers seem like having a group chat and being in sync.

Comment by lukan 1 day ago

Not much probably, the sentiment existed before, but Musk's support for instance did made an impact. You know, richest man supporting a party, and poor people thinking, oh, I also want to be associated with being rich and I also am angry at X. It made more people seriously considering them I suppose.

Comment by mrtksn 1 day ago

You’re probably right but how come the solution for their(any anti establishment across EU and US) problems always somehow involves being on good terms with Russia? How those groups of people have become natural allies? Is it some psyche? For example I noticed that pro-Russian people often don’t accept agency beyond “the west”, the russian, the jews, the British and the Americans and their solutions revolve around accepting the superiority of Russia and not being persuaded by the sneaky Brits, West, Jews. That’s why their solution to the war in Europe is just West not attacking Russia and let Russia have what is rightfully theirs. Just really weird school of thought that denies agency.

Comment by customguy 1 day ago

I heard some really weird stuff about Ukrainians from some people, some of them otherwise very much not right-wing, and I can only attribute it to the internet. They certainly wouldn't give me a real source for where they got that from, but kinda just dropped it and moved to something else.

Comment by lukan 1 day ago

Oversimplificated, they are just oversimplificated. The world is good and bad. The current establishment of government they know is clearly bad to them, so the enemy of their enemy must be a friend and part of good then.

But speaking of it, Putin was stationed as a KGB officer in saxony in the cold war(allegedly being responsible for radical west german left terrorists) and speaks german. I surely noticed lot's of russian propaganda channels. They became a big thing during Corona and became obvious russian (at least to some), when the channels that propagated antivaxx before suddenly reported anti Ukrainian propaganda and also openly support for the russian aggression.

Comment by LargoLasskhyfv 1 day ago

Wir haben unter Schmutzatmosphäre verkackt.

Besser kann ich's nicht unter schonender Schutzatmosphäre verpacken.

Comment by TacticalCoder 1 day ago

> I feel so angry with and ashamed of my own country in a way I cannot even find words for.

I feel so angry and ashamed for what the EU bureaucrats and politicians have done to the EU.

Many people do feel like me. I'm not german but I know that half of that region didn't suddenly wake up "neo-nazis": they're people who are fed up with what the politicians have done to their countries.

You cannot change abruptly systems / countries / cultures by flooding them massively with migrants from different cultures by the tens of millions and expect the entirety of the population to, like you, beg for more.

Comment by EA-3167 1 day ago

Maybe they woke up one day and realized that the tolerance offered to neo-Nazis had been increasing steadily, and a tipping point had been reached where they could finally be themselves in public? I mean if you want to do what we (the US) did and pretend that this is all about economic and social anxiety go ahead, but you're going to learn the same lesson we did too:

Some people have never changed, only hidden, and now they're coming out. They've been trying since day one, but enough of the people who remember the bad old days are dead, and everyone needs to relearn the cyclical lesson once again. Usually it doesn't take a major war, hopefully this time won't either.

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Comment by Arodex 19 hours ago

>You cannot change abruptly systems / countries / cultures by flooding them massively with migrants from different cultures by the tens of millions

Tell us what has changed abruptly. Concrete examples.

And if things have changed so much, why do they seem stuck in the 1930s?

>they're people who are fed up with what the politicians have done to their countries.

And that is why they vote for billionaires to get the right to punch poor and different people. And to shout "Sieg! Heil!" at meetings.

Oh, sorry, they shout "Sieg! Mund!". Totally different /s

>half of that region didn't suddenly wake up "neo-nazis"

Funny how they still have the same chants and slogans.

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Comment by u1hcw9nx 1 day ago

The only question is if they get 42 votes required for simple majority in Saxony-Anhalt, or maybe just 39 votes.

Comment by lukan 1 day ago

More critical will be, whether BSW will make their 5% because they would help the AfD to get power (they said so clearly).

Comment by u1hcw9nx 1 day ago

For those who don't know Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance (BSW) is batshit crazy "left-authoritarian" far-left party.

Comment by lukan 1 day ago

Demonstrating the in my opinion not so well working left-right as a meaningful political description as a concept in general.

Comment by eudamoniac 20 hours ago

If a party gets 44% of the vote, they are not "far-" anything, by definition. They are well within the overton window of what people find acceptable.

Comment by Arodex 19 hours ago

Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party got 43.9% at the 1933 federal election.

By the way, you've got egg on your face.

Comment by eudamoniac 18 hours ago

At the time they were not far right/left though. We are applying that label in hindsight compared to present day politics. It doesn't make much sense to call the mainstream right far right. If they get in power and hold it for 50 years democratically, they obviously don't remain far right, they would just be what "the right" is. I argue that when they become more popular than "the right" they automatically take that moniker and lose the "far" label.

We have to anchor the center somewhere for the labels to have meaning; anchoring it to some point that is not the average/typical view needs heavy justification. Maybe we can say afd is still far right today, using some trailing average, but eventually if they remain popular we'd have to admit they're just the right.

Comment by Arodex 8 hours ago

>At the time they were not far right/left though. We are applying that label in hindsight compared to present day politics.

Oh my god, man, how much of a know-nothing are you? And how do you expect your lies to get a pass when I know about that period?

Comment by eudamoniac 28 minutes ago

Ok, thanks for denying part of my post with no evidence or argument and ignoring the central point. You could have saved some time by just writing "nah bro".

Comment by rvz 1 day ago

> In a fracturing political landscape, the AfD is now Germany’s most popular party nationally, though other parties have ruled out forging coalitions with the AfD in a policy known as the “firewall.”

What exactly went wrong for this catastrophe to happen?

Comment by u1hcw9nx 1 day ago

Wrong? It's not politicians misleading people. People want this. Normal people are not "good" or "pure", they like many bad tings and Germany is a democracy.

Comment by lukan 1 day ago

"What exactly went wrong for this catastrophe to happen?"

Many things.

"most popular party nationally"

But not as bad as it sounds, because we have many different parties, and the majority is not AfD.

Comment by disgruntledphd2 23 hours ago

The only thing that makes sense to me is that lots of people want an actual right wing government, not one who's just in coalition with the left.

That's the only explanation that makes sense to me, without calling lots of people Nazis/fascists/communists etc.

And turnout was way, way up, indicating that a lot of people went out to vote.

Like, I dislike who they voted for, but as a democrat, I want more people to vote so I'm a little conflicted at the moment.

Comment by bluecalm 23 hours ago

Uncontrolled immigration (main point). High taxes. Too much benefits for non-working people. People feel this is unjust and working against them so they vote for parties that at least promise to change it.

Comment by Arodex 19 hours ago

>Too much benefits for non-working people.

Don't you guys have the heartless Hartz IV reform for years?

The problem, as in the US, isn't too much social help; it is too much social help for people they hate. They want the state to give them handouts, they just want it reserved to themselves, who are better, because they were born that way, and not "those other people", who are naturally lazy, because they were born that way.

Comment by TacticalCoder 1 day ago

> What exactly went wrong for this catastrophe to happen?

The AfD's only selling point is that they'll end immigration.

Here's what happened: 2.6 migrants coming to Germany in 2022 alone. Net migration into Germany in 2022: +1.4 million.

There are many germans (and many people in the EU) who don't like to see mass-migration from Africa and the middle east.

It's those who let that happen (and pushed for it) who are responsible for people voting for extremist political parties.

The same is happening in France and even Gabriel Attal (ex french prime minister) said France failed to control both its legal and illegal migration and that now he wants to only allow in migrants who are coming to actually work (Gabriel Attal is probably going to be a candidate to be the next french president).

You cannot look at the AfD and say "bad AfD" / "evil neo-nazis germans who voted for them" and not take a cold hard look at what happened with migration in the EU these last years.

Comment by zqna 1 day ago

Immigration in Saxony-Anhalt is the lowest in Germany, not that anyone cares.

Comment by throwawaypath 1 day ago

And they just voted to keep it that way.

Comment by Arodex 23 hours ago

Hating people they don't know, based on second-hand testimonies.

Ask them their opinions about Jews, too.

Comment by throwawaypath 23 hours ago

>Hating people they don't know, based on second-hand testimonies.

Yes leftists are the least likely to know AfD supporters.

>Ask them their opinions about Jews, too.

The most openly antisemitic groups in Germany are leftists, so, I don't want to ask them about their awful opinions about the Jews.

Comment by hackyhacky 22 hours ago

> Yes leftists are the least likely to know AfD supporters.

Can you please tell us about your first-hand experience with AfD supporters?

> The most openly antisemitic groups in Germany are leftists, so, I don't want to ask them about their awful opinions about the Jews.

I think you meant to write "anti-Zionist" instead of "antisemitic."

Certainly the Jews don't think the AfD is their friend. https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/2026-09-07/ty-arti...

Comment by Arodex 21 hours ago

Have leftists voted to discriminate and get rid of the people born in Saxony-Anhalt?

In fact, which antisemitic leftists are close to governing anywhere in Germany right now? Have any antisemitic left party reached 44% of the vote anywhere?

And third question you will certainly answer without fail: which party wants to talk less about the Shoah and uses nazi slogans casually in its communication?

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Comment by Arodex 23 hours ago

>There are many germans (and many people in the EU) who don't like to see mass-migration from Africa and the middle east.

And there are many Germans and others who don't like to see Jews in positions of power. Were the Weimar Republic centrist parties at fault for not "remigrating" Jews before the Nazis took power?

Comment by locallost 1 day ago

Burden of the unification, where the eastern states are still lagging in many areas, got the ball rolling. Pent up dissatisfaction. Eventually it rolled over to the rest of the country with COVID, stagnant economy, social media FUD etc. A lot of the same forces that drove Trump's election. People are afraid and dissatisfied, but they cannot really say why. I know, I try to listen to them. "Our educational system is falling apart". I have two kids in school, the opportunities they get are awesome compared to what I had.

It's difficult to convince people in an idea if your goals are noble. If they are not, it's a lot simpler. The basic fear is that they will lose what they have right now and are easily manipulated into magnifying those fears.

Comment by customguy 1 day ago

> I know, I try to listen to them. "Our educational system is falling apart"

Are they aware that the AfD wants to introduce homeschooling?

https://www.news4teachers.de/2026/05/afd-will-schulpflicht-f...

Probably not, right? I mean, unless they're criticism is that they totally would love to teach their kid all these things much better than they do in school, but the kid won't accept homeschooling in the afternoon when it already went to school in the morning, but I kinda doubt that's their issue.

Anyways, thanks and kudos for talking to and listening to them. I think our society really fucked up in that regard. I have to think of things as old as "Deine Gewalt ist nur ein stummer Schrei nach Liebe.... ARSCHLOCH!", if you know what I mean... then we rested on being better than the poor conspiracy theorists and "Covidioten" and whatever. Rarely do we try to work with people we find "too disagreeable". And now we have the salad :(

Comment by LargoLasskhyfv 1 day ago

Kladderadatsch!

Comment by locallost 1 day ago

I mean when I say I talk to them, I don't mean I go to AfD gatherings, you cannot discuss with these people. But I do go to e.g. play sports with some older guys in their 50s and hear what they have to say. And the way I know a lot of them vote AfD is because they never talk about AfD, which is the polar opposite of everyone else around me. Plus the complaining about the Green Party. And btw I am not German and we have zero issues with each other. So I think the reason for a large part of the people voting like this is more nuanced than a simple Nazis and Xenophobes label. Sure a lot of them yes, but I think the regular people that got duped have their reasons. Everyone has certain tendencies and why you get pulled in one direction is an interesting thing to figure out. The problem of why needs to be understood before it can be solved. My opinion I can repeat: it's fear magnified and manipulated by social media, as well as especially in the east a lack of identity and pride. A lot of good people left for somewhere else because the money was better. There are less populated areas where I've been to hike and you ask the locals on the street about a place to eat and they say just "there hasn't been anything here in a long time". And there's some genuine resent in those words. Those places are like 50+ percent AfD.

Comment by Arodex 23 hours ago

>There are less populated areas where I've been to hike and you ask the locals on the street about a place to eat and they say just "there hasn't been anything here in a long time". And there's some genuine resent in those words.

I don't get how they make the jump that this is the fault of immigrants, LGBT or the Green.

My conclusion after seeing trumpism is not that they are suffering because of external factors (left behind, abandonned by the state, et .) and thus turn to grifters selling them the Moon: their poverty has the same origin as them getting suckered by grifters: an internal inability to assume failure, learn from mistakes and improve, instead blaming everyone else but themselves, and thus being stuck at the bottom of society as it should be. Grievance from losers who will never, ever admit any wrongdoing.

Comment by 0bytes 1 day ago

I fully agree, but I think you forgot social media as a catalyst. People being trapped in echo chambers. AfD (and all the associated conspiracy theorists) are classical con men.

Comment by throwawaypath 22 hours ago

>What exactly went wrong for this catastrophe to happen?

A catastrophe named democracy. Leftists are rejecting democracy and embracing autocracy to get their way.

Comment by zqna 1 day ago

Very simple. Being poorer than neighbours makes you angry. Then you vote for those who can bring misery to everyone so when everyone is screwed you will be fine again. Of course there are natural reasons for being poorer than neighbours - brain drain, geopolitical and economical changes. No government can help for some people, as those are unable to accept help, as they will sabotage any effort for one reason or another. In a sense it's inevitable, the entropy produces this pockets of isolated misery, which build upon itself, like dark matter does. Eventually the gases need to be released to produce a new equilibrium, sometimes in some sort of big bang

Comment by hasley 1 day ago

I think (relative) poverty is not an explanation on its own.

This is my take: Poverty makes people not vote for some parties. But making so many vote for a party, especially with unconstitutional goals, is the result of a lot of desinformation. The AfD uses any possible opportunity and any possible topic to tell people that Germany is rotten to the core - while it is truly one of the riches country in the world with mandatory health insurance and unemployment compensation. (Not saying that Germany does not have significant problems. Far from.) Then, they tell people whom to blame (refugees, jews, homosexuals etc.). This builds up hatred. it is not important whether anything of this is true at all. All that counts is: They can continue to be angry.

There are enough YouTubers who show AfD voters contradictions in their arguments. The AfD voters usually react with even more hate. They just want to see things burn while accepting any possible collateral damage.

Comment by stinkbeetle 1 day ago

Are you talking about Africa and the Middle East?

Comment by veeti 1 day ago

East Germany.

Comment by stinkbeetle 6 hours ago

But it could equally apply, right? Let's see what OP says.

Comment by bluecalm 23 hours ago

Mainstream parties went bananas so people desperately look for another option. I think this will happen in many other countries in EU. I will take far right over far left any day but it sucks nevertheless that we lost a reasonable common sense option in politics. Hopefully AfD implements their good ideas (like more direct democracy, lower taxes, less benefits, locking up criminals, deporting illegal migrants) and won't get to implement their radical ideas.

Comment by Arodex 23 hours ago

>Hopefully AfD implements their good ideas (like more direct democracy, lower taxes, less benefits, locking up criminals, deporting illegal migrants) and won't get to implement their radical ideas.

Why do you hope that? The AfD supporters already chant Sieg Heil at meetings.

They could have removed their "radical" (code for: neo-nazi) ideas months ago and they could have got more votes and/or a coalition to implement their "good" ideas. Instead they doubled down on them even though it sabotages their "good" ideas. Why do you think it is?

Comment by bluecalm 19 hours ago

I hope for that because there is little left. I am not surprised people vote for the only party that promises to solve the problems they care about. I am disappointed the rest of the political spectrum plays some kind of game or puts their hand in the sand so the only option left for many people is something like AfD. What is especially surprising to me is that it's obvious from talking to normal working people what are the issues they care about and yet most politicians don't even acknowledge it.

>>They could have removed their "radical" (code for: neo-nazi) ideas months ago and they could have got more votes and/or a coalition to implement their "good" ideas. Instead they doubled down on them even though it sabotages their "good" ideas. Why do you think it is?

I think they realize anyone who thinks illegal immigration is the most important issue (a lot of people) will vote or them anyway so they double down on craziness to mobilize the voters. Their strategy works pretty well but they are playing on easy mode because the rest of the political spectrum is tone deaf. I guess their leaders don't even talk to normal working people.

Comment by Arodex 8 hours ago

In 1933 the main problem for people was the Jews. Should the mainstream parties have "solved" the "Jewish problem" in place of the Nazis?

I am not inventing the term BTW, it was a major topic of the interwar period:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_question

With the argument that their religion was incompatible with European society...

And what proof do you have that if the normal parties did "take care" of getting rid of immigrants, people would stop voting AfD? Because every conservative party I have seen trying to adopt the far-right's points have just ended boosting the far right even more. Nobody want the copy when they could have the original.

Comment by bluecalm 7 hours ago

>>In 1933 the main problem for people was the Jews. Should the mainstream parties have "solved" the "Jewish problem" in place of the Nazis?

Jews were citizens and residents, part of the society. Illegal immigrants are not and the society has a say in legal migration policy. People don't want illegal immigration at all and they want to limit legal migration, especially from Islamic countries.

>>And what proof do you have that if the normal parties did "take care" of getting rid of immigrants, people would stop voting AfD?

Any ruling parties that continue to let illegal migrants in big numbers already lost any credibility. People are not that dumb. They want the issue solved and they know current main stream parties won't do that.

If you are in power and you are not doing anything about the issue you will naturally boost far right because people hope far right will actually do something. hhhhhhhhh

Comment by hasley 3 hours ago

One problem with "we only want the illegal or 'imcompatible' ones to leave the country" is that right-winged people tend to get extremer sooner or later. Other people will make them believe into more and more crude theories (like white people being more valuable than people of color) which leads to even more extreme actions (like murder). Hence, we have to say "no" to right-wing ideas as early as possible.