Statichost.eu – European static site hosting

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Comment by pkal 4 days ago

I'm using this for my mother's website (https://www.touchofglass.eu/), and my only complaint is that it assumes you version a website in a Git repository. You can work around it by uploading a tarball or something like that, but it is far less convenient than using sftp/rsync. But considering that we are far into the free 10GB a month and I only have to update it very infrequently, it seemed like the best solution.

Comment by adityamwagh 4 days ago

Wow, your mom is so cool!

Comment by 2b3a51 3 days ago

"Research has shown that being creative through art projects can help promote stress relief, increase self-esteem, help connect with others, and boost intrinsic motivation. So, participating in mindful art projects can open one's mind to more positive thoughts and offer alternative solutions to life problems."

And wise. Well done publishing the Web site which works without fuss in a calm way.

Comment by pkal 3 days ago

She is flattered :) Your comment and those of others here have "made her day", so thanks!

Comment by therealdrag0 3 days ago

Btw highly recommend glass workshop like this. I did one and was surprised how easy it was to make a good looking coaster with no artistic talent.

Comment by rbarroso 4 days ago

I thought the same! :)

Comment by datahack 3 days ago

Love your mom’s work. Wow.

Comment by bialpio 3 days ago

Do you mind sharing what (if anything) you're using to version that website? I'm wondering what folks use instead of git nowadays.

Comment by sgt 3 days ago

Back in the day people used to build a website without any versioning. Just make it and upload it. Make a change, upload it again.

Comment by flyingshelf 3 days ago

Then people realized why that's such a bad idea

Comment by pkal 3 days ago

Why should it be? In my experience it depends on the case, and in my case it seems like an absolute technological overkill to version the site and have statichost regularly pull from some repository, as I update it perhaps once a year.

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Comment by odo1242 3 days ago

I mean, versioning is basically free from a technical / storage / time spent standpoint, and my experience says that if you don’t do it you likely will lose your code at some point

Comment by notRobot 3 days ago

To be fair you can have versions and backups even if you don't use a versioning tool like git. Good old _v2, _v3, _v4.

Comment by odo1242 3 days ago

Fair, but like, why??

Comment by embedding-shape 3 days ago

Simpler. Or you work/collaborate on projects with people who really shouldn't have to learn Git, even via a GUI.

I'm a programmer by trade and do plenty of versioning via _v1 and so on when working on music with others, we basically send .zip files over Telegram and append some label at the end. Not gonna ask these people to learn something when basic "have many copies" does the trick sufficiently good.

Comment by xigoi 2 days ago

I use Git for version control, but not for deployment because I don’t want to bother making a commit every time I want to fix a typo.

Comment by carlosjobim 3 days ago

If you're making static websites, there's no code to lose.

Comment by odo1242 3 days ago

Second order code loss: make a change, realize you screwed everything up, unable to revert

Comment by flyingshelf 3 days ago

Is that why even Google Docs has version control?

Comment by pkal 3 days ago

Not really, I just use Emacs' versioned backup files that are automatically generated. As I said, I don't have to update the site that often, so it is entirely sufficient. An advantage for me, besides not having to write Git commit messages, is that I also don't have to version images in Git, which I don't like doing.

Comment by chrisjj 4 days ago

Seriously, no WebDAV?

Comment by pkal 4 days ago

According to the docs no, but I did find out that they now provide a script that automates the process https://www.statichost.eu/docs/direct-upload/.

Comment by 0xbadcafebee 4 days ago

WebDAV used to be a tire fire, is it not anymore? I'd probably prefer SFTP, it just works

Comment by greenavocado 3 days ago

I like sftpgo

Comment by _kidlike 3 days ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10215419

doesn't seem like a good idea

Comment by KellyCriterion 3 days ago

Extreeeemly capable person, your Mum! Just WOW!!!

Comment by olivierestsage 2 days ago

Exquisite work. I love Point of Departure.

Comment by jeremyjh 4 days ago

If you'd like an EU hosted Git Forge to back it, Codefloe offers a free built-in integration with no restriction on personal or private repositories.

https://docs.codefloe.com/pages/

Comment by selfhoster1312 3 days ago

Why would i use codefloe and not a more reputable non-profit provider like codeberg/disroot/framagit?

It says it's community owned, but i only see one codefloe team member on the forums and a few people (like you). I didn't find any good community rules or pricing, any political statement about the mission, etc. The only thing i found deep in the comments is that it seems to be for people who don't want FLOSS? Also the pricing mentions mixing a non-profit and a for-profit for the best of both worlds, which as Mozilla has shown is a potentially tragic strategy.

To be clear, i'm in favor of more non-profit hosts. But from reading the site i'm not convinced this one is actually for-profit, what the community stands for, and whether i'm the target audience.

Comment by jeremyjh 3 days ago

Codeberg does not permit personal repos, it is strictly for open source project communities. Also, it is painfully slow if you are working in a repo of any size. Codefloe is professionally hosted on a robust platform - it could probably support about 10x the volume Codeberg has currently with good performance. I have not used the other options you mentioned but I've long admired what Framasoft is doing.

I'm not sure where you'd get the idea that Codefloe is for people who don't want FOSS. There are hundreds of open source repos. There are also a lot of personal projects, and probably some commercial ones as well.

What they don't want, is an ideology that restricts the types of projects hosted there. Its available for all software projects. Most of their user base are just using the service - and that is really the point. Similar to how most users on Lichess are there to play chess, not to talk about hosting chess servers.

They are owned by a commercial entity, devXY but they are not profit seeking. They need donations to cover costs but are willing to give that time to build up. There are some regular donors[1], but they are not yet covering all costs [2].

They publish a report every quarter where you can see usage figures.

https://codefloe.com/codefloe/analytics/src/branch/main/repo...

They also publish detailed cost analytics and donations:

[2] https://codefloe.com/codefloe/analytics/src/branch/main/repo...

[1] https://en.liberapay.com/codefloe/

Comment by selfhoster1312 2 days ago

Thanks for the explanation. It's more detailed than what's on the homepage.

> it could probably support about 10x the volume Codeberg has currently with good performance

I'm very curious about this statement since it seems to also be based on forgejo, and hosted by Hetzner. Maybe there's some forms of clever caching involved? That could explain why the monthly expenditures seem to be moving around so much, which is unusual. Do you have a link about it?

> an ideology that restricts the types of projects hosted there

That's precisely what people who don't want FLOSS say. I appreciate that some communities prevent others from restricting our freedoms; if that means restricting their capability to engage in harmful behavior (eg. non-free software, LLMs, scams, etc) that's a plus. But even codeberg is not that "strict".

> They are owned by a commercial entity, devXY but they are not profit seeking.

I will never trust a for-profit corporation to host my data, and even less so if it claims to not seek profit. If you don't seek profit, there is 0 reason to setup a for-profit company. And depending on your jurisdiction, it may actually be illegal for a for-profit to receive donations.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I hope to be wrong and over time codefloe becomes a flourishing community full of interesting projects and people.

Comment by jeremyjh 2 days ago

> Maybe there's some forms of clever caching involved? That could explain why the monthly expenditures seem to be moving around so much, which is unusual. Do you have a link about it?

Mostly it is just better/newer hardware for the database servers - both CPU & NVME storage. But also more hosts, that are not sharing system resources, and have sub-ms latency between each other.

Yes, costs change as hardware is added. But this leads to another advantage which is hard to understate:

It is very easy for Codefloe to adapt its hosting architecture because everything is managed with infrastructure as code. So as bottlenecks are found, improvements are benchmarked, change can be deployed safely and reliably. Codeberg is much riskier to change at this point.

Some of this is public here[1] - but I don't really expect it to convince you. What should convince you, is simply using Codeberg. It feels like being on dial-up.

[1] https://pat-s.me/codefloe-launch/#takeaways-from-my-time-wit...

Comment by selfhoster1312 1 day ago

Thanks, that's a very good article! I don't understand why it's not set front and center on the codefloe homepage.

Comment by PeterStuer 2 days ago

Forgejo user, but I do not trust Codeberg after their last "vote".

Comment by aand16 2 days ago

> 403 Browser Update Required Your browser is outdated. CodeFloe requires a modern browser for the best experience and security.

Site is broken on Brave.

Comment by cxr 3 days ago

The amount of Codeberg FUD one can encounter on HN is unreal. I'm starting to question whether there's an organized effort behind it.

Both personal and private repos are explicitly permitted in the Codeberg TOS:

> Private repositories[…] allowed for really small & personal stuff like your journal, config files, ideas or notes, but explicitly not as a personal cloud or media storage.

Comment by jasonvorhe 3 days ago

As if there wasn't a massive amount of nuance between "you may keep your dotfiles private but don't upload your photo library". If their rules read this arbitrary, I wouldn't trust them to host any of my stuff, especially considering that you always have to hope they don't change their rules any further.

Assume you did some local LLM stuff in June that worked with a 200MB set of various jpegs and you wanted to keep it private: Is this still legit in September 2026? I wouldn't rely on it.

Comment by embedding-shape 3 days ago

> , I wouldn't trust them to host any of my stuff, especially considering that you always have to hope they don't change their rules any further.

Yeah, I think this is a win-win for both parties.

You strike me as someone who would "ride along the lines of the terms of service" basically, and you'll see anything not explicitly forbidden as being allowed essentially.

While Codeberg is a project driven by humans, with human reactions to what's happening. If you're not comfortable with rules not being 100% defined, and requiring a humans value judgement to be had to figure out if the rule is broken or not, I don't think Codeberg is for you.

The rest of us, who are OK with humans making decisions rather than just going by what's written in rules, are fine with this, because we know our private repositories won't be deleted. And if they are, you'll be able to speak with a human to explain, and if your intention is fine and good, they'll be OK with it. But if you try to argue about some "That wasn't explicitly stated", then yeah, they'll probably get tired of you quickly.

Think your participating in your local user group vs some corporate/government forum, the rules will be enforced differently.

Comment by jeremyjh 3 days ago

> "ride along the terms of service"

By using AI to write code, like virtually everyone does? Tell me, what indication was there in their TOS, that this might be close to a line?

Comment by embedding-shape 3 days ago

Do X in whatever way you want, if you do so knowing it's against the terms of service, you're "riding along the line of the terms of service" for sure if you try to explain away how it is/isn't explicitly forbidden.

Comment by jeremyjh 3 days ago

Using AI was not against any terms of service at all three months ago.

Comment by selfhoster1312 2 days ago

No, it was just against every value Codeberg ever stood for, and against the value humanity should stand for. There was no ambiguity ever about this. There is no moral ambiguity that if people develop military FLOSS on codeberg they will be banned, even though it's not in the ToS right now, because that's the right thing to do and the community will reach a consensus that we want to support human communities, not military organisations who destroy them.

Comment by jasonvorhe 2 days ago

The rules say nothing about military AI and currently include selfhosted LLMs as well:

> You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools (including services such as Claude, OpenAI Codex). Such projects having an unclear copyright status (see requirements § 2 (1) 1 and § 2 (1) 3) and furthermore have little safeguards to ensure that they do not include harmful code (c.f. § 2 (1) 5).

At least stick with the truth before launching with "the right the to do" (which is also a pretty bad rule because it's completely ambiguous.)

Comment by selfhoster1312 1 day ago

I'm fine with ambiguous rules. A non-profit is not a legislative body, though to be fair even actual laws are usually ambiguous and contradictory and that's why we have lawyers and judges and such.

Ambiguous rules with clear objectives is what gives a non-profit the power to be flexible in the way to accomplish common goals. It's based on human trust and is fine by me and others. If you ever were part of a non-profit, you know human trust is an essential component.

Comment by jasonvorhe 16 hours ago

I was (4 years) and we made sure our rules were easy to grasp and follow to ensure we wouldn't have to deal with lack of clarity and enforcement.

Comment by embedding-shape 3 days ago

Ok, point being? Codeberg is a non-profit community that evolves and figures out where to move, all the time, this is the point of the association itself. Members discuss what to do, then a decision is made, then new rules eventually apply, this is how the project moves forward.

Comment by jeremyjh 3 days ago

You said people were “riding the line”. They weren’t. Codeberg made up a rule that excluded eligibility for projects they were already hosting. Projects that were not illegal, indecent or dangerous. I can’t think of another time something like that has happened. They can do it, sure, but many had hoped they could be an independent host for all FOSS as GitHub deteriorates. They have disappointed those hopes, and we will have to look to others - like Codefloe - to carry that hope forward.

Comment by xigoi 2 days ago

GitHub is deteriorating primarily because of LLMs. I’m guessing Codeberg doesn’t want to end up the same way.

Comment by embedding-shape 2 days ago

> Codeberg made up a rule that excluded eligibility for projects they were already hosting

What does "made up" mean? It was a decision by the actual members of the platform, you know, the actual people using it! Nothing "made up" about it.

I think it's pretty clear you don't have an idea of what Codeberg is trying to be, nor do you have any interest in understanding, you just want to push this "Codefloe" platform for some reason. Codeberg make very public what the platform is for and yes, that'll change in the future too, as the world changes.

Comment by jeremyjh 2 days ago

I'm sorry that phrase offends you so much that you have to resort to personal attacks. Why don't you respond to the actual substance?

The reason I'm supporting Codefloe is written in the comment you are responding to. Codeberg is not interested in hosting all FOSS, and Codefloe is. That is the reason. Its very simple.

It is pretty clear you are not making any effort at all to understand the problem people have with Codeberg's rug pull.

Comment by selfhoster1312 2 days ago

Not one programmer i know does this. Well no actually, one does because his boss makes him but it's so shitty he basically AI-washes his own job. How come on HN every week i come across someone who believes programming is dead and everyone has been brainwashed by Silicon Valley execs into destroying the planet with LLMs?

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Comment by jeremyjh 2 days ago

Honestly it is astonishing to me that there are still people who believe things like this. AI is just a tool. Software development still requires human minds.

There are people who don't understand that and crank out slop. Fuck those people. That isn't what I do.

There are people who don't understand that and won't host my FOSS. Well, I've found someone who will.

Comment by FabCH 3 days ago

Why do you assume they will be ok with it?

They recently made some very ideological decisions…

Comment by embedding-shape 3 days ago

I didn't? Maybe I didn't explain properly, what did you understood I said/wrote?

Comment by FabCH 3 days ago

„ and if your intention is fine and good, they'll be OK with it“

That doesn’t work because „fine and good“ doesn’t mean the same thing to Codeberg voters/admins and to a large part of the hacke news population. Notably, Codeberg is morally opposed to AI.

Comment by embedding-shape 2 days ago

> That doesn’t work because „fine and good“ doesn’t mean the same thing to Codeberg voters/admins and to a large part of the hacke news population.

Why on earth would Codeberg give even the slighest fucks about what the "hacker news population" finds "fine and good"? Makes absolutely zero sense.

Codeberg made those things against the Terms of Service because paying members who use the platform voted for exactly that. This is how Codeberg works, the members of the platform decides how it works.

Comment by FabCH 2 days ago

You changed the topic. The topic is not what Codeberg should care about. The topic was trust in the humans behind Codeberg to not delete private repositories on a whim. Codeberg community is free to care about whatever it sees fit. That doesn't protect them from criticism.

Do I trust humans behind Codeberg to behave sensibly? No.

Would more precise terms of service that explain what Codeberg community thinks is ok help with such trust? Yes.

Should the humans behind Codeberg care what I think? Maybe? Presumably they do care about reaching _some_ users, otherwise why have the service public at all?

Comment by jasonvorhe 3 days ago

What a weird take coming from a pro-Codeberg perspective considering that many their users I are proudly #actuallyautistic people who would prefer strict rules to follow in order to feel secure.

> The rest of us, who are OK with humans making decisions rather than just going by what's written in rules [...]

Better speak for yourself and not infer from your own views to others. With bad intention this could be interpreted as if I was incapable of dealing with human decisions when all I stated is that I mistrust people who rugpull me.

Comment by jeremyjh 3 days ago

> journal .. config file .. ideas or notes

So, not code for personal projects? Right? A private git repo with my own code, is not permitted.

More to the point of this thread - there is no specific affordance for a personal website.

Comment by cxr 3 days ago

> So, not code for personal projects? Right?

No, not right. Still wrong:

"Use it for your personal notes, your side project or any other[sic] you want to keep private".

(That's even ignoring that I was addressing the claim that you actually made, which is different from the one you're making now; you're moving the goalposts.)

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Comment by jeremyjh 3 days ago

That language is not in the terms of service. The word "side" does not appear on that page.

The terms of service state:

> Private repositories are only allowed for things required for FLOSS projects, like storing secrets, team-internal discussions or hiding projects from the public until they're ready for usage and/or contribution. They are also allowed for really small & personal stuff like your journal, config files, ideas or notes, but explicitly not as a personal cloud or media storage.

The TOS Section 1:

> Our service is open for all projects covered by a licence for free and open source software, free and open source hardware, or free cultural works as defined by § 2 (1) 1.

So the "FUD" I am spreading is literally the headline of the legal terms of service. There is an organization behind the spread of this information, and it is Codeberg e.V.

Comment by cxr 1 day ago

You have made two concrete claims about Codeberg that are verifiably untrue:

"Codeberg does not permit personal repos"

"A private git repo with my own code, is not permitted"

Codeberg's policy explicitly permits personal repos, including private code repos. Both of your claims are false. There is no getting around this, no matter how much you try to move the goalposts or the other forms of conversational misdirection you're trying to pull off here.

Comment by cxr 3 days ago

You have made two concrete claims about Codeberg that are verifiably untrue:

"Codeberg does not permit personal repos"

"A private git repo with my own code, is not permitted"

Codeberg's policy explicitly permits personal repos, including private code repos. Both of your claims are false. There is no getting around this, no matter how much you try to move the goalposts or the other forms of conversational misdirection you're trying to pull off here.

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Comment by jasonvorhe 3 days ago

Haven't used Codefloe but at least they're not restricting what projects you can host with them. I don't see any preachy neo-Luddite "don't use AI" or "no private repos pls" messaging on their site.

Comment by xigoi 2 days ago

Apparently, not wanting to spend a huge amount of resources on storing slop makes a free hosting service “neo-Luddite”.

Comment by tgsovlerkhgsel 3 days ago

I would be in the market for Europe-based static hosting and am glad that more European services are popping up, but this has one massive drawback: Unpredictable cost (unless you manually set a limit with support, then it presumably changes into unpredictable availability). With everyone moaning about AI crawlers I have no idea how far 10 or 500 GB bandwidth go nowadays, and I don't want to need to know.

At all-inkl.com (no affiliation except being a happy customer) I pay something like 8 EUR to get "unlimited" bandwidth (I'm sure if my site caused a problem I'd hear about it, but I can be sure that there won't be surprise bills, and I know I don't have to worry about "background noise"), static hosting, dynamic and database (which I don't use) hosting, and 5 domains included which makes the net cost of the hosting nearly free.

Comment by po1nt 3 days ago

I don't like the "proudly made in USA" type marketing. It should not matter if the service is good.

Comment by hobo123 2 days ago

I think local-first is a good heuristic in that it would avoid needless pushing of goods around the globe (or needless round-trips of lots of data around the globe).

Also, some people might like it if a product or service was made in US, Switzerland, Germany, Italy etc... for purely personal reasons (feelings).

Comment by po1nt 2 days ago

It's the internet. We used to be proud that it's global. It used to be super cool to talk to people from other side of planet in real time.

Comment by tgsovlerkhgsel 2 days ago

In this case, it's less "proudly made in USA" and more "will likely remain available and legal to use for EU companies, even if the conflict between Trump and the rest of the world escalates"

Comment by undefeated 3 days ago

I can kind of see it, but hetzner costs, what, 5€/m for your own server with 10TB traffic included? How is a 4€/m markup remotely justified for what amounts to setting up an apache server and pointing a domain at it? And cutting traffic to a twentieth?

Comment by l_h 3 days ago

Some (or maybe even most) people just want something that works, without dealing with the maintenance.

Comment by jimnotgym 2 days ago

Why I currently use Netlify for my sites

1) Netlify forms. I get contact and update workflows for free

2) zero setup SSL, Webserver and CDN

3) It builds a preview link for Pull Requests.

All super useful, and worth paying for.

If I started paying lots for one of these services I would build a form handler, and manage a vps... but today it is cheaper not to

Comment by reacharavindh 3 days ago

His has been my setup for many years. A simple cheap Hetzner VPS, setup to run Caddy printing a bunch of subdomains for all my side projects. If I wanted CDN, I’d look at bunnycdn. I haven’t researched a European DNS provider yet. For now it is Cloudflare.

I see the value for someone who doesn’t know or want to fuss with running their own VM in the cloud, but given the usage of LLM these days… But, one only needs a bit of education to take control into their hands.

Comment by 0xbadcafebee 2 days ago

If motor oil for your car costs 20€, what justifies spending 40€ to have a shop change the oil for you?

Comment by eviks 1 day ago

Bad analogy, a shop can't write software to cheaply automate oil changes

Comment by p2detar 2 days ago

> but hetzner costs, what, 5€/m for your own server with 10TB traffic included?

Nope, they bumped the price to €7,13 several months ago. One could still find €5 managed web-hosting though.

Comment by axegon_ 3 days ago

You'd be surprised how many people pay hundreds of bucks per year for hosting wordpress sites that are completely static with 0 updates. Sites that can easily be hosted as static for free on codeberg (or github pages if you are a sociopath). The local peanut butter manufacturing facility with photos of their jars and no backend logic required type-of-sites.

Comment by gbxbxbcbd 3 days ago

Significantly too expensive for most users. I understand that they target agencies, but most users would prefer less and pay by site instead of paying 120 EUR / year for unlimited sited

Also the traffic cost is ridiculously high. Even AWS (which is often criticized for their high traffic cost) does not bill traffic below 10 TB (20 times higher) and then cost 0.1 EUR / 10 GB (10 times lower)

Comment by reconnecting 4 days ago

I like it. But not 100% EU. Status page sends data to Google, Doubleclick, etc (1)

"In Brief: statichost.eu does not collect or share any personal information or data. " (2)

Every page contains a hidden 1px pixel img that collects 15+ parameters: https://queue.simpleanalyticscdn.com/simple.gif?version=cdn_......

1. https://status.statichost.eu

2. https://www.statichost.eu/privacy/

Comment by gls2ro 3 days ago

I think you are picking on the product by sharing a (real) critique of the marketing website.

The product says "100% European static website hosting" it does not make any promise about the actual marketing website they have that will be privacy protected.

So yes, you are right they used in their marketing website maybe some trackers and even so based on the link you shared here they seem to use https://www.simpleanalytics.com/ which sounds okish than any other trackers and it might even be also EU hosted: "We're a three-person team based in the Netherlands, building privacy-first analytics for the web"

Comment by flyingshelf 3 days ago

That's not a good excuse. If the whole selling point is that you're gluten free you can't have grain flour on your fliers.

Comment by gls2ro 3 days ago

Their _main_ selling point is that they are hosted in EU and also their analytics seems to be hosted in EU.

I did not read with very much attention their website but I think they are not saying they are gluten free and eating a whole wheat bread. But even so it is possible that a cook that produces gluten free bread to sell can eat a whole wheat bread. I see no problem with that.

I also don't think we need metaphors for this. It is clear for me that their USP is hosting in EU and the fact that on their marketing website uses https://www.simpleanalytics.com/data-collection does not contradict their product which is Hosting websites in EU.

What would contradict is hosting their marketing website on US.

Second point is: Yes, their status page should be hosted in other places and I could even understand if they want to host their status page in US or ASIA. I actually think that would be the right way to host their own status page.

Comment by goobatrooba 4 days ago

That pixel seems to just gather standard data one might want to optimise the site display. I think display port size or http/s choice is hardly personal data.

Yes such info can be used to track people, but only if you have the database and means to - which a single small provider certainly doesn't. So unless you think this data is being sold for profiling I don't think that their claim is false.

Comment by reconnecting 4 days ago

Perhaps I read it wrong, but to me this means "does not collect ... data". In fact, the site uses a third-party service, which obviously sends the IP address.

Finally, the `id` and `unique` string parameters look like something specifically designed to track people.

Comment by gls2ro 3 days ago

If they use https://www.simpleanalytics.com/data-collection then that is the list they collect.

So it does not seem to collect IP. Of course it is sent to their servers but they publicly state they don't collect it.

Comment by mtlynch 4 days ago

I've been looking for a new static host recently since Netlify raised prices and is terrible at preventing bot traffic. Here was my assessment of Netlify from the perspective of a small customer who just wants static hosting (and not build minutes).

Pros:

- Run by a single person, so customer service is responsive and comprehensive

- Focused mainly on static hosting without extra complexity

Cons:

- Run by a single person, so increased outage risks

- No support for MFA

- The upload process unconditionally uploads every file rather than an rsync-like sync of only the changed files, which is a pain for my large sites that only change incrementally

- Bot scraper protection is not included (they'll do it for an additional fee)

- Bundles together site builds and hosting, but I only want hosting

Comment by embedding-shape 3 days ago

So, just as a curiosity, why don't you create a $5/month VPS or something even cheaper, throw nginx/apache/caddy on there, make it fetch from a git repository once a minute or whatever, then call it a day? What does the service need to provide for it to be worth paying so much more for?

This $5/month VPS can effectively handle hosting 100s of static websites for you without breaking a sweat, unless you're doing something seriously wrong.

Comment by mtlynch 3 days ago

I've seriously considered it, but then the VPS is my single point of failure. If there's a new nginx/apache/caddy/linux 0day that could compromise my server, I have to care about it and update.

My websites typically serve 500 GB to 800 TB of bandwidth per month, and I run my businesses on static sites. It's not often that I get a big burst of visitors, but it happens a few times a year, and I wouldn't want to lose out on hundreds to thousands of dollars in sales because I was trying to save $20/mo on hosting.

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Comment by thih9 4 days ago

I’m a happy OVH user, their free static hosting (part of their paid domain service) is enough for my needs. I’ve been using that platform for more than 10 years now. At the same time I like that there are more alternatives.

Comment by ferngodfather 4 days ago

My issue with OVH is the support is God awful and half French. Someone made a complaint about my server and their default stance was to nuke me from orbit and ask questions later.

Oh and their "data centers" are just shipping containers that are prone to the occasional fire.

Much happier with Hetzner, even though it's more expensive.

Comment by wiether 3 days ago

I partially agree with the first part, but:

  > Oh and their "data centers" are just shipping containers that are prone to the occasional fire.
AFAIK they have a very limited number of DC built reusing shipping containers, most of them, including the ones built in the last ten years, are regular buildings built from scratch or repurposed.

AFAIK there have been ONE instance of a DC taking fire, and it wasn't built from containers.

https://lafibre.info/ovh-datacenter/incendie-sur-un-site-ovh...

Comment by ferngodfather 3 days ago

1 "data center" built from a shipping container is one too many.

And, did you look at the photos you linked lol.

Comment by wiether 3 days ago

I did, yes.

Particularly this one: https://lafibre.info/images/ovh/202202_incendie_ovh_strasbou...

Only SBG1 was built from containers, it partially burnt due to its proximity to SBG2, but its SBG2, which was not built from containers, that burnt down.

Comment by ferngodfather 3 days ago

No fire suppression and wooden ceilings?

Comment by Avamander 4 days ago

I've had a few complaints, few auto-detections, managed to clear it all up quite easily thankfully.

However their IPv6 /128 allocation is horrendous. But I don't know anyone who does it all actually better.

Comment by gertop 3 days ago

They give you the full /64 even on vps or kimsufi(low end servers) it's just that the interface is configured with the ::1/128 by default in their cloud-init.

Their documentation about it is not consistent though, so the confusion is understandable.

Comment by sparkling 4 days ago

The 9€/mo price point seems weird, considering its "just" static hosting and i can get a decently sized VPS for that money (yes, also from a EU host).

Comment by Avamander 4 days ago

You can also get a fully-featured shared web hosting package plus email for that price. 9€/mo is wack.

Comment by ferngodfather 4 days ago

You should see the pricing of Azure web apps lol

Comment by dataking 4 days ago

> Not just servers in Europe. A European company, European infrastructure, and European values

Needs to also run on European CPUs such as SiPearl Rhea1 :)

Comment by exitnode 3 days ago

I'm hosting my static site (https://rz01.org) there and am super happy with the free plan and the support I got from Eric. It's free, it's fast, it's in the EU.

Comment by m00dy 3 days ago

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Comment by Phelinofist 3 days ago

> we are going to back protectionism

Who started this, GeNuInElY cUrIoUs

Comment by jonplackett 4 days ago

Guys. Your top menu doesn’t even fit on mobile properly.

The spacing of every element on the site is different and inconsistent.

Everything about this site looks cheap and unconsidered.

Design is important and builds (or loses) trust.

It would take you at most an hour to make this site actually look nice.

Comment by kevin_thibedeau 3 days ago

It's the Geocities design philosophy. Worked stupendously for lingscars.

Comment by rrr_oh_man 3 days ago

No. Inconsiderate is NOT over-the-top-loud

Comment by parasti 3 days ago

I just had to go check out your site with that comment. Nicely done! Was waiting for the physics simulation to either fully settle or explode, but really neither of those happened.

Comment by jonplackett 2 days ago

Yeah I wouldn’t say my own site is an example of perfect design!

Comment by m00dy 3 days ago

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Comment by flyingshelf 3 days ago

Par for the course for EU businesses, I'm all too familiar with this.

Having said that, wrapping is a totally acceptable way to display menus rather than sticking everything in a burger.

Comment by jasonvorhe 3 days ago

> No AWS, no Cloudflare, no exceptions.

I'm so tired.

Comment by rrr_oh_man 3 days ago

You‘re not just tired, you’re exhausted.

Comment by dalmo3 3 days ago

The difference is real. And that matters.

Comment by fnwbr 3 days ago

and i'm so tired of the majority of the world centralizing and funneling their internet through either or both of these

Comment by rrr_oh_man 3 days ago

Especially if you know about the Cloudflare CIA tinfoil theory

Comment by archonis 4 days ago

Looks interesting and serves a real need. However, pricing tiers seem a bit steep, especially for folks who don't need the build step to happen on the host.

Also, at least according to the docs, ssh cert based authentication and password based authentication, but no support for public key based authentication?

Comment by monneyboi 4 days ago

It sucks that we got to "European" being used as a main selling point.

Comment by itsyonas 3 days ago

However, I am not sure why European mass surveillance and imperialism are supposed to be any better than those of any other country. Somehow that never gets answered on sites like that.

Comment by pitchlatte 3 days ago

simply put, they aren’t the big bully. they don’t have the worlds strongest army and control of the most important currency to strongarm pretty much anyone who stands in the way.

i agree with your sentiment though.

Comment by gertop 3 days ago

None of what you say makes Europe better when it comes to the topic at hand, though?

If I have to choose US or EU to host my website, the size of their army, the strength of their currency, or their history as political bullies doesn't affect my blog or nextcloud instance.

What affects me is their privacy and data harvesting laws. EU is nominally better with the former, but the latter is eroding very fast and they're roughly the same.

Comment by codethief 2 days ago

> but the latter is eroding very fast and they're roughly the same.

Citation needed. Some politicians keep on pushing for data harvesting and secret backdoors and what not but most attempts have been blocked and we're still nowhere near the level like, e.g., in the US.

Comment by codethief 2 days ago

Because they are nowhere near the same magnitude as in the US?

Comment by a34729t 3 days ago

should come with a pack of cigarettes and a copy of SAS volumes 1-7

Comment by woadwarrior01 3 days ago

Especially when it's hosted in the UK.

Comment by nonethewiser 3 days ago

Wait, so Europeans dont want to use github pages? And would rather pay 9 euros/month?

Comment by veqq 3 days ago

Wow, yeah. I need to start offering static hosting for like $.99 (although then micropayments become an issue...) As is, I host like 100 business' sites on my VPS and only recently surpassed 1% bandwidth.

Comment by toast0 3 days ago

Probably better to do $10/year thsn $1/month... Maybe have a shorter first increment for people that don't want to risk $10...

Comment by chanux 3 days ago

Bunny.net has a similar model and it's nice (Top up the account and minimum $1 per month).

This website also has a pricing model that is a bit discouraging and quite common in my experience. Nice free tier, thanks, but the first paid tier is a bit far out of reach or not worthy. My only guess is that they are forced to do it this way to fund the free tier.

Comment by brodo 3 days ago

> Wait, so Europeans dont want to use github pages?

Yes

> And would rather pay 9 euros/month?

No

Comment by edukite 3 days ago

As a European I can only say I would rather pay 9€ monthly to European company than even receiving 5€ from USA

I self-host my application so I don't have need for such service but if I couldn't I would pay 9€

Comment by rrr_oh_man 3 days ago

Can you pay me 900€? If not I’ll send you 500€ from the US

Comment by edukite 3 days ago

Can I? Yes. Will I? No

Keep your 500€, your fellow citizens in average need it more than average European

Comment by rrr_oh_man 3 days ago

I wish you see a beautiful rainbow

Comment by edukite 3 days ago

I did and don't even need methamphetamine ;)

Comment by nosioptar 3 days ago

As an american, I'd rather pay than use github's free pages.

I'd go with sourcehut's pages @ €4 per month over statichost if I wanted to specifically go EU. (If not I'd go with nearlyfreespeech for $2ish per month.)

Comment by pocksuppet 2 days ago

Paying to not be the product is nice. Some places make you pay and still make you the product, though, so watch out.

Comment by isodev 3 days ago

For less than a cup of coffee yeah.

Comment by TeMPOraL 3 days ago

Problem with "less than a cup of coffee" has always been that those "cups of coffee" are usually per month, and they quickly add up.

Also hardly anyone drinks $9 coffees regularly.

Comment by m00dy 3 days ago

you have a valid point.

Comment by brnt 3 days ago

My cups of coffee are free (at work), so...

Comment by Gooblebrai 3 days ago

Out of curiosity, does a Ltd from the UK counts as EU nowadays after the brexit?

Comment by alexchamberlain 3 days ago

No? This company is based in Sweden, right?

That being said, the only reference to the EU is the domain itself - everything else says European, and the UK didn't move during Brexit.

Comment by woadwarrior01 3 days ago

The company is Swedish, but the website is hosted by datacamp in the UK. You can see it for yourself if you run whois on their domain.

https://datacamp.co.uk

Comment by flyingshelf 3 days ago

No. No EU no EEA. Hard brexit. "European continent" has nothing to do with the .eu domain, which is restricted to EU citizens and businesses.

Comment by omnimus 3 days ago

The website says European not EU. UK is without much doubt in europe.

Comment by flyingshelf 3 days ago

> You can register and use a .eu domain if you are an EU or EEA citizen regardless of where you live, a resident in the European Union or European Economic Area, or a business or organization established within the EU/EEA.

UK is neither.

Comment by embedding-shape 3 days ago

The company itself is located in all of those essentially (Sweden), what seems to be located in UK is the "datacamp" thing.

Comment by tiffanyh 4 days ago

OT: is Cloudflare not offering Pages anymore?

I logged into CF dashboard the other day and was super confused because it appears to be replaced by Workers.

Comment by qaz_plm 4 days ago

The legacy option still exists but they don’t make it obvious.

Computer > Workers & Pages > Create Application > under “Make something new” container there’s a link “Continue to Pages”

Comment by TiredOfLife 3 days ago

Pages is essentially discontinued and replaced by workers.

Stuff like Astro comes with Workers support.

They also have https://www.cloudflare.com/drop/

Comment by Hamuko 4 days ago

It's under Compute → Workers & Pages because Cloudflare has a confusing UI.

Comment by doublepg23 3 days ago

UniFi and Cloudflare have interesting design philosophies where every time I load them up there's an entirely new experience waiting for me.

Comment by Hamuko 3 days ago

Just yesterday I was configuring my UniFi and being confused on where I can actually find everything in the new UI. I swear the firewall/policy UX changes every version.

Comment by globalnode 3 days ago

its like a retail store where they force you to walk through the chips and chocolates to get to the fruit and veg... just in case you didnt know how yummy chips and chocolates are...

Comment by FabCH 4 days ago

The pricing is bananas. Why on earth is the bandwidth metered?

An EU tiny VPS on Scaleway with unlimited bandwidth costs 5€. This thing costs 9€. With limited bandwidth.

?!

Comment by mtlynch 4 days ago

> An EU tiny VPS on Scaleway with unlimited bandwidth costs 5€. This thing costs 9€. With limited bandwidth.

statichost.eu is a CDN,[0] not a single static host. Your VPS is the single point of failure, so if that one system goes down, your site is offline.

With a VPS, you'd also have to roll your own atomic updates, which is not the hardest thing in the world, but it's also not trivial.

Compare it to static hosting pricing at Netlify, Firebase Hosting, and Vercel, and it's competitive, but you should expect to pay more for a service run by a small vendor who doesn't have the economies of scale or VC money that the bigger competitors have.

[0] They're an abstraction on top of Bunny, who provides the actual CDN, statichost assumes responsibility for providing the CDN regardless of underlying infrastructure.

Comment by FabCH 3 days ago

Can I just point out that either the vendor is small and therefor can’t actually offer the N+2 reliability you list as a weakness of self-hosting, or they are large enough for N+2 but then stop being small.

My tiny website doesn’t need a CDN and doesn’t need atomic updates.

Comment by mtlynch 3 days ago

> Can I just point out that either the vendor is small and therefor can’t actually offer the N+2 reliability you list as a weakness of self-hosting, or they are large enough for N+2 but then stop being small.

I don't understand what you mean. surge.sh and statichost.eu are both small vendors that offer redundancy. Are you saying they're not really small or not really offering N+2 reliability?

Comment by FabCH 3 days ago

From what they list on the website, they don’t offer N+2 reliability / they are not present in sufficient geos to actually act as a CDN.

Comment by mtlynch 3 days ago

Which vendor are you talking about?

As I mentioned upthread, statichost.eu uses Bunny under the covers, and I think you'd be hard-pressed to argue that Bunny isn't a CDN.

surge.sh has servers in 10 regions.[0]

It's not trivial to run a static host with redundancy in multiple regions, but it's also not so absurdly complex that only large vendors can achieve it.

[0] https://surge.sh/network

Comment by flyingshelf 3 days ago

Netlify and vercel have a generous free tier, I never paid a dime. What you might eventually pay for in those services is the exceptional DX, which this amateurish service will never get close to.

All this to say that 9€/month is way too expensive.

Comment by mtlynch 3 days ago

What's the price that you expect to pay to a service run by a single person that has to keep your website available 24/7?

I get frustrated that people seem pretty aware of the enshittification and centralization of large services, but when an indie vendor pops up that can fill a niche, people expect it to have all the bells and whistles of a billion dollar company and also give everything away for free.

If you have a just for fun website, then yeah, hop around the free tiers of whatever hosting service. If you're running any kind of online business, the difference between free and 9€/month for web hosting is a rounding error to pretty much any other business expenses you have.

Also, keep in mind that on the 9€/month plan, that's the max you pay. With Vercel, Netlify, Firebase, etc., if you get hit with a bot attack, they come after you for $100k+ and you have to beg on social media for them to call off the collectors.[0]

[0] https://old.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1b14bty/netlify_jus...

Comment by flyingshelf 3 days ago

That's a lie. 9€ is not the max you pay, it's metered and extra traffic costs extra. So what you said about others can just as well apply here.

What I see is some homemade service that costs $125/year and has little to show for it. There's nothing about what it offers on the website, the homepage has a handful of words. It claims "CDN" but doesn't say anything about what the exit points are. All I see is two "datacenters" in Northern Europe on the status page.

Heck even the CDN is in "private beta" so what are we paying for exactly? Lots of services in Europe are already available for 2-5€/month for the current level of service.

What I see is a 9€ ask for a list of promises. That's too much.

Comment by mtlynch 3 days ago

> That's a lie. 9€ is not the max you pay, it's metered and extra traffic costs extra. So what you said about others can just as well apply here.

From the pricing FAQ[0]:

> Can I set a spending limit for overages?

> Yes. Please contact support in order to set up your spending limit.

None of the others support spending limits last I checked.

[0] https://www.statichost.eu/pricing/

Comment by flyingshelf 2 days ago

> Please contact support in order to

Yikes

Comment by chanux 3 days ago

I checked yesterday because they were about to close my account and found Scaleway is a bit expensive.

Just checked again and found a DEV configuration for ~€6.55 and STARDUST for ~€0.43 which is interesting.

Comment by dddw 3 days ago

Where? At scalaway?

Comment by chanux 3 days ago

Yessir

Comment by p-e-w 4 days ago

But it’s in the EU! Which is obviously extremely important for static hosting.

Comment by toyg 3 days ago

It depends what that static content is. If it advocates for BDS in universities, for example...

Comment by FabCH 3 days ago

So is Scaleway…

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Comment by squarefoot 4 days ago

How does it compare to neocities.org, which is sadly not EU?

Comment by kyledrake 4 days ago

It seems to be more focused on business static hosting, which Neocities definitely is not. There's at least a dozen business static web hosting solutions out there and we're happy to share space with them.

Aside from that, it's claiming to be based in Europe instead of the US and proposing that as the value proposition. We have servers all over the world, including in Europe, but we're required to be in the US for the pretty simple reason that we live here, and nobody in Europe has offered me citizenship yet (by all means!)

I've explored potentially operating out of other countries when crazy internet regulations come up but in practice, crazy internet regulations is currently, unfortunately, a bi-partisan, multi-country phenomenon, and I wouldn't bank on being "based in Europe" to solve this.

I also wouldn't assume that being based in Europe will prevent the US from enforcing a law on a platform either. US companies still have to adhere to European internet laws if they want to operate there. If we used cookies for anything except session login, we would need to do a cookie pop-up like most other sites do.

It might help me to understand the concern if I was given a specific internet law. If your concern is age check IDing for example, how are you more concerned about the US states than the entire country of France, which is attempting to do the same thing?

Comment by squarefoot 1 day ago

The main concern isn't much about privacy, we have our share of crazy laws as well, age id, etc. sadly, that's where the society is heading, but mostly because of the worries about depending on a service where someone could decide to pull the plug because of international politics, affecting users in the process.

Comment by Moru 3 days ago

The current non-US movement is more based on the emerging government type in the USA, has nothing to do with the privacy laws.

There are apps you use to scan products in the store to make sure they have nothing to do with USA.

Comment by esher 1 day ago

Congrats on the launch. I added this to: https://www.findhost.app/statichost/

Comment by nom 4 days ago

wtf is a build minute and why is it metered

Comment by pitchlatte 3 days ago

i was also extremely confused by this

Comment by therouwboat 3 days ago

I tried this few weeks ago and there was no authentication on rebuild trigger, so anyone who knows your site url can start build and deploy. I don't know if things have improved since then.

Comment by tasoeur 3 days ago

I’ve been using (and donating to) xmit.co that gives you all of this for free and has really good support.

Comment by foundart 3 days ago

Is it open source? I can't find any code links.

Comment by palata 4 days ago

Does it automatically generate a TLS certificate? I didn't find documentation about that, just that you can setup your own domain.

Seems really cool!

Comment by isodev 3 days ago

Yes, it does generate the certificate

Comment by AnonC 3 days ago

What exactly is “builds minutes”? I looked at the FAQ and Docs but couldn’t find what it means. Are there static sites where the build process consumes, in total, 5000 minutes (in the paid plans)? How often are these sites being updated?

Comment by gertop 3 days ago

They support any build stack you want. You basically give them a docker compose file and you do what you want.

Knowing that, it seems important to have some limits.

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Comment by trizoza 3 days ago

The name though, took me 5 reads to finally see "static host" there

Comment by Muromec 4 days ago

My hosting is rv2 in my meterkast from by cf which costs 0 eurohryvnias.

Comment by jpoesen 3 days ago

Are you ok? I think you might be having a stroke.

Comment by Muromec 3 days ago

It's tough to be monolingual -- everything is so strange and scary.

Comment by jpoesen 1 day ago

Tout à fait.

Comment by sajithdilshan 4 days ago

Doesn’t say anything about how much of storage is offered for any plan.

Comment by letmevoteplease 4 days ago

If they stated the storage limits explicitly, people would just go right up to the edge. Better to leave it undefined and assess compliance afterward.

Comment by gbxbxbcbd 3 days ago

I assume no storage limits but bandwidth limits

Comment by amelius 4 days ago

Looked cool at first, but that FreeSewing logo scared me away.

Comment by simonjgreen 4 days ago

That’s a shame, because FreeSewing is a fascinating and pretty awesome project! If you know someone in to the textile crafts, you may find this changes their world if they don’t already know of it.

Comment by idorube 4 days ago

hold on there, nobody is mentioning AI here? :-D

Comment by nosioptar 4 days ago

Since you asked...

I wonder if they have some form of clanker protection. I'd hate to get hit by the filthy buggers and end up with a huge bill.

Comment by g-b-r 4 days ago

Before any other consideration, I love love LOVE the record-short terms.

I'll bookmark it just for that.

Comment by PeterStuer 2 days ago

Why is static hosting more expensive than a VPS?

Comment by s_dev 4 days ago

Obligatory as always: https://european-alternatives.eu/categories

Comment by mhitza 3 days ago

That website is no longer worth pointing out. The person running it cannot be contacted by others so the offerings and details are frozen in time.

Comment by Daegalus 3 days ago

is there an alternative?

Comment by jruohonen 3 days ago

Multiple; see, e.g.,

https://eualternative.eu/

Comment by s_dev 2 days ago

Great suggestion, there is real value in these lists. Options are always good. I like the freshness transparency and that helps impart confidence going forward as it's easy to see when it was last updated but the suggested alternatives don't seem as deeply researched and subsequently there is less categories.

Comment by ali_alkhazraji 1 day ago

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Comment by ruuda 3 days ago

Their certificate is issued by Let's Encrypt ...

Comment by exitnode 3 days ago

Why is that worth mentioning?

Comment by ruuda 3 days ago

Because it looks like they are trying to appeal to people interested in European digital autonomy, but ISRG, the organization behind Let's Encrypt, is based in the US and has to comply with US sanctions.

Comment by TiredOfLife 3 days ago

Certificate is not european.

Comment by jonatanholmgren 3 days ago

This looks like a Bunny CDN host?

Comment by gabrieledarrigo 3 days ago

> Not just servers in Europe. A European company

Come on, even the claim is sloppified! It's not this, it's that!

Comment by Anoian 3 days ago

As an european I approve of the claim being "Its not this, its that", because for once its an actual good use of it, as many things claim to be european when in actuality they are american companies, hosting their stuff in an aws/azure european data region, so not really european at all.

Comment by Aldipower 4 days ago

No /cgi-bin/ directory? I am disappointed. ;-) Greetz to Sweden!

Comment by 0xbadcafebee 4 days ago

I would love a static hoster with nothing but CGI and versioned snapshots

Comment by chrisjj 4 days ago

> 100 build minutes

Er, what? A static site has no build on server.

Comment by Hamuko 4 days ago

Many static sites are made using a static site generator, which turns input files into a static site in a build phase.

Comment by rixed 4 days ago

I believe the important part was "on the server".

Comment by elondaits 3 days ago

My static sites are built on the server (Github pages or Cloudflare Pages). They rebuild each time there are new commit on the repo, and that way I don’t need to version built artifacts.

I built locally for many many years and I’m much happier with this model since the commit log is a much better reflection of what changed and there are no inconsistencies as whenever you’d commit source and built artifacts that don’t match.

… It demands some extra care in terms of making sure the server can pull the dependencies and run the build scripts, but that also means my colleagues (or me in the future recovering the project from the repo) would be able to build with what was commited and nothing more… which is a requirement in my case.

Comment by rrr_oh_man 4 days ago

A static site could be built from source on the server

Comment by Oh-Kay_Labs 3 days ago

"European values" We know what that means.. Slavery of one sort or another(no joke).

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Comment by embedding-shape 3 days ago

Huh, why not 100%? Both Germany and United Kingdom is in Europe, last time I checked. Bunny is located Slovenia as well, also Europe.

Comment by rrr_oh_man 3 days ago

.eu just implies something different.

Imagine subscribing to patriotcrm.us (Tagline: "100% American made & hosted") and then finding out its servers are located in Mexico.

Comment by embedding-shape 3 days ago

.eu implies (well, requires) the business entity itself is located within the EU/EEA, it doesn't imply that all infrastructure is hosted within the EU, I'm not sure where you'd get that from.

Just like .us doesn't imply everything is 100% hosted within the US, that the CDN has servers in Mexico too is fine, as long as the business entity itself is actually in the US.

Comment by rrr_oh_man 3 days ago

You’re right!

Comment by tuwtuwtuwtuw 3 days ago

Many people can't tell EU and Europe apart.

Comment by embedding-shape 3 days ago

There is something special about the combination of people posting something thinking it's some gotcha, then they completely misunderstood both what the thing is, and what they're trying to point out, hilarious.

Comment by rrr_oh_man 3 days ago

Enlighten everyone, me included, please?

Comment by tuwtuwtuwtuw 2 days ago

EU is not the same thing as Europe. Europe is a continent, EU a political and economic union.

Similar to the USA not being same as America.

Comment by rrr_oh_man 2 days ago

Wow! Thanks! TIL!

Comment by embedding-shape 2 days ago

You know, you might want to try another approach than doubling-down on sarcasm if you want to actually get something out of this platform. You kind of get back what you put in, in terms of effort of the comments and such. Or, continue whatever you're doing, it's clearly fun to you in some way :)

Comment by tuwtuwtuwtuw 2 days ago

It's not sarcasm, he is just following the usual behavior of people on the internet that can't admit to being wrong. Instead of just saying "oops", they go all in on stupid.

Comment by embedding-shape 2 days ago

Yeah, better to just not say anything in those cases, if you don't want to actually participate in the conversation, otherwise it's just noise.

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Comment by embedding-shape 3 days ago

About the differences between the EU and Europe? Didn't someone already explain the difference to you in the past or somewhere else? Look at Wikipedia otherwise.

Comment by rrr_oh_man 3 days ago

Good job picking a fight! You’re the best!

Comment by dlahoda 4 days ago

...European values, and requires eu tax number, eu payment card only, eu sanctions, eu censorship, eu prices(high), and residence permit of course.

Immediately blocked for half year until they think if you can have that site.

Comment by throwfaraway135 3 days ago

I don't trust anything governed by the EU government, they will censor/take down anything that's even mildly inconvenient for them.

Comment by utopiah 3 days ago

Which government do you trust more then?

Comment by throwfaraway135 3 days ago

In our current age none of them.

Comment by utopiah 2 days ago

OK let me reformulate then, which one or ones do you distrust the least?

Comment by petcat 4 days ago

Europe enters the static file hosting space.

Meanwhile, Europe's most promising aerospace company just left for USA.

https://www.heartaerospace.com/newsroom/heart-aerospace-relo...

Comment by simonjgreen 4 days ago

Nope, Airbus are still safely headquartered in Netherlands.

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The holding framework is in The Netherlands but HQ is still in France.

Comment by Hamuko 4 days ago

"Just" and "Published April 30, 2025" seem a bit contradictory.

Comment by a3w 4 days ago

Swedish company, nice.

But "European values" seems to be a non-statement.

Doesn't European also possibly mean St. Petersburg, Malta, Cyprus, Istanbul, Greenland, or Switzerland? I.e. being not the same as EU hosting?

Comment by spragl 3 days ago

Greenland is not part of Europe. But they are part of "Rigsfællesskabet" (The Kingdom of Denmark). So part of Denmark but with a high degree of autonomy.

Regarding "European values", I think they are just Western values but with a twist away from the US version. In my layman view, that means: Europe values citizen privacy more, US values citizen freedoms more, Europe values environment more, US values businesses more.

Until recently I would have said Europe values diplomacy more, while US values military power more. But now I dont know about that.

Comment by bartekpacia 4 days ago

It’s obvious and implied that “European” here means “EU”, especially when talking about values.

Low effort comment.

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