The Corporate Creep of Plex: Why it may be time to move to Jellyfin
Posted by reprodev 1 day ago
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Comment by dostick 1 day ago
Comment by smilespray 1 day ago
This will reduce the switching workload, and you can run both services at the same time whilst trying out Jellyfin.
Comment by vachina 1 day ago
Comment by smilespray 1 day ago
For foolproof matching, adding Plex metadata in the style of "{tmdb-12345}" to the directory name would cause problems for Jellyfin, as they used to demand different formatting, for instance square brackets.
It has taken a years to convince the maintainers that this change is a good idea and not "letting Plex determine the future course of Jellyfin."
Comment by evulhotdog 1 day ago
The vision of Silo appears to be much more clear, and has quite a few great devs behind it. It also has features to run side by side and has full JF api support. I have no involvement in the project, just excited for a new player in the space.
Something to keep an eye on!
Comment by wiether 1 day ago
> and has full Postgres support from the get-go
I was like: why should I care?Then I went on siloserver's website and I was even more confused.
What made the success of Plex is how easy it is to setup, how nice it looks and how easy it is to use.
Siloserver's marketing miss all those points because they focus on the tech stack, don't show a single picture of the UI and don't demonstrate the UX.
Even as someone who understands the tech written on the website, I don't see the point. So I can easily imagine how someone without the technical knowledge would feel about this...
Comment by radcod3 1 day ago
I'm thinking of trying it out though to see if there's any noticeable differences in performance etc.
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Comment by wiether 11 hours ago
I just checked: my "com.plexapp.plugins.library.db" is 24Mb. Meanwhile, I have some custom apps with SQLite db's that are >10Gb and I don't have performance issues.
So I don't see how big a library have to be for its db to become a bottleneck?
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Comment by evulhotdog 1 day ago
Marketing is not really the important bit at the moment when they’re working on building things from the ground up.
I was just mentioning it because it’s a new contender to the space, changing the status quo. Always a good thing in the OSS world.
Comment by TiredOfLife 17 hours ago
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Comment by vlovich123 1 day ago
* general Tv support - no Jellyfin app on Samsung TVs (at least older ones)
* General challenges to get things to start - it never worked for me out-of-the-box
* slightly weird sign in flows because it’s all self-hosted (have to first install a mobile app to make signing in on TV app smoother unless you happen to have your computer and TV side by side)
* weird issues with things suddenly stopping to work: DLNA was working but without any changes I can think of on my end it no longer works
* weird dlna support - at least with iOS VLC it didn’t work smoothly - like VLC sometimes wouldn’t see the announcement or something and I’d have to reset. Could be a VLC issue but don’t recall similar problems with Plex
So basically Plex is a smoother, easier to use experience that typically “just works” without issues.
Comment by QuiEgo 6 hours ago
- plex has some fancy remote access thing so it can figure out your home network IP without DNS. You need to use VPN/Tailscale or self host something that advertises your IP if you want remote access with Jellyfin.
This is lame if your use case is “my parents remote play from my server from their smart TV” - getting VPN working on a smart TV can be a lot of hassle.
- Jellyfin iOS did not support continuing to play on app switch last I looked (it must have focus or playback stops). Plex app does not have this issue.
I will also say the new pricing structure is a non starter to me, if I wasn’t grandfathered into a lifetime pass from when it was cheaper I would not use Plex anymore. But I do have the pass so I’m not super motivated to change (for now)
Comment by BarkenBark 1 day ago
- Jellyfin forced me to organize my files into Show/Season folders, whereas Plex just handled my original flat mess of scattered files.
- When playing video on Plex, I generally have to wait some time before subtitles show up, whereas the subtitles in Plex just show up immediately
- Plex has built in search for openly available subtitles matching your video that you can use if your video lacks subtitles (not sure if Jellyfin has it too)
That said, I still prefer Jellyfin for numerous other reasons, and I don't regret my migration.
Comment by ender341341 23 hours ago
You keep all your shows in a single directory? or just sorted into folders per show?
I haven't had any issues with files just sorted into show folders for shorter series, but even in general it's very un-particular about filenames as long as you have `<show name> (<year>) S<Season #>E<Episode #>` (and it accepts a decent number of formats for season/episode number, and year is usually only needed if you need to differentiate shows with the same name).
Comment by radcod3 1 day ago
Regarding this, try out sonarr/radarr with hard links.
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Comment by brookst 1 day ago
Plex was the jellyfin of the 2010’s. Pirate-centric (or at least agnostic), hobbyist focused, a bit hard to use and ugly but super valuable.
Then they went corporate and yeah it’s weird and in decline.
Comment by reprodev 22 hours ago
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Comment by wiether 1 day ago
Not only does it acknowledges that Plex is still far better than Jellyfin with its whole ecosystem, but it also depict pretty nicely the entitlement of the users overall.
On one side, they paid $75 more than five years ago for a piece of software for which they still receive weekly updates. On the other, they talk about how leadership at Jellyfin decided to throw the blanket after a burning themselves out for free.
Up till now, Plex kept their promise regarding the Lifetime pass: we still receive updates, we still have all the features. So, unless they change that, they haven't broken their promise. It seems only fair from them to try to run a sustainable business, which you can do without renewed income. They have to find money. They raise subscription price: no impact on existing Lifetime pass owners. They add ad-supported features: no impact on existing Lifetime pass owners. I don't see a single add wherever I access my Plex library, I have hidden their "free" library. I still have 100% of the features I had when I bought the Lifetime pass. Except that I have now access to more features.
Sure, nobody forced them to say "Lifetime", but I don't see how I could be mad if they decided to release a completely new version that is out of the Lifetime scope. I would still have access to the old one, but if I was interested in the new one, I would have to move to one of their new plans, that looks more sustainable in the long run.
Plex is still the easiest one to use for regular user or for the people, like me, that act as IT support for their family and friends, and don't want to spend their evenings and weekends tweaking their aunt's TV just for the sake of using Open Source software.
Comment by reprodev 22 hours ago
Recently, I've been asked more and more by friends and family to set up Plex for them as it's "free" and "easy". I do the basic setup or walk them through it. Then they want to share to their libraries to others or just watch off their connection and hit the wall of having to have a subscription.
Then they bring me Jellyfin as the alternative from something they saw on XDA. I'm not too quick to help them set that up just because of the current state of it and having to find them players on their various devices. As you mentioned, I've been spending pretty much be spending all my free time helping them set it up but I think Plex being so cost prohibitive now so Jellyfin will start to become the defacto option as what we'll be tweaking for those of us that act as IT support.
Comment by EnnEmmEss 18 hours ago
Comment by wiether 20 hours ago
I can see how scary the price increase on the Lifetime pass looks, and I see it as a deterrent to push people to something like the 5 years plan which looks like a good deal to me
The pricing around Remote Watch Pass is a bit weird to me because I haven't got any complaint from people access my server, and I know they don't have any kind of pass, so I'm not sure why it should be needed?
But having to pay 30/year to access someone else's server, who's already paying a regular Pass and the infra, sure seems abusive
Comment by reprodev 17 hours ago
The Remote Watch Pass explanation was just a bit confusing when it first got announced. I was helping someone build their first one and they are now having trouble with accessing from off their network to do some automation with their Watchlist. I ended up just telling them to buy it for the month and see how it went as it seemed like it was just a paywall issue. Turns out it was something to do with their Windows setup in the end but something that just worked now being so obfuscated takes away the ease of setup and really confuses more than informs.
If you have the Plex Pass then anyone connecting to they shouldn't need the Remote Pass it so that's probably why you haven't had any complaints from people accessing yours as long as you have it. It's more for people who are sharing their library without it so if you have a few people accessing then I don't think it's unfair to ask them to chip in a bit to future proof you but I think we'll be having similar questions in 5 years time when this one expires for people who picked it up.
I'm still a really big fan of Plex but it's getting harder these days to actually recommend it while the pricing is really all over the place. My advice these days is just get it now and assume the price for things will go up and not down.
Comment by wiether 11 hours ago
It was nice having a chat here because you felt more nuanced than in the article and we basically agree overall!
Comment by sparky_z 21 hours ago
What does this mean?
Comment by zbentley 17 hours ago
Comment by wiether 11 hours ago
I always have a hard time with this one because, in French, it's not a towel that is thrown: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jeter_l%27%C3%A9ponge
The French version version naturally comes to my mind, even when I'm thinking in English, and then I can't find the translation because it's too close, yet so different.
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Comment by deejaaymac 1 day ago
https://demo.jellyfin.org/stable/web/#/home
Username is demo, PW is blank
Also, I've been running jellyfin for many years, I've had no issues
Comment by hellisothers 1 day ago
Comment by reprodev 22 hours ago
If you don't mind me asking what client are you using and server setup are you using. Any tips from someone who has been using it for a decent chunk of time?
Comment by beAbU 1 day ago
Emby just works, it's players are great, and issues actually get fixed. I know it's a closed source fork of XBMC, I know that's controversial, but the product itself is just so good.
Comment by unsnap_biceps 17 hours ago
Comment by reprodev 21 hours ago
Did you try anything else before hand or just go straight to Emby? I have to say I never really gave it a proper chance
Comment by beAbU 14 hours ago
At some point their web client felt like it was abandoned, because they kept on releasing apps for a bunch of niche devices and for VR. I was unsure if my subscription was going to make my experience any better.
Eventually I discovered Emby, trialled it for a couple of months alongside Plex (same XBMC core, so the same library naming convention and folder structure). After that I decided to get the subscription for Emby. Their server is solid, the web client is solid, and their android clients are solid. Happy camper since then!
Comment by radcod3 1 day ago
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Comment by ploxxer 1 day ago
It has more polish and refinement than Jellyfin but doesn't have the obtrusive ads and whatnot that Plex offers. Client support is also great. Jellyfin is still quickly gaining ground but Emby is still my media server of choice for now.
Comment by GolfPopper 1 day ago
I'm a Plex user who's been thinking about trying Jellyfin out, largely in response to some recent UI changes I dislike but... what Plex ads? I don't have any on my android apps, on Roku installs, or on my parent's SmartTV, and none of my other users have ever mentioned any ads to me. (If I was seeing ads, Jellyfin would become "take some time off work and get it working now".)
I know I've disabled everything except my own libraries, so it's possible there's a setting somewhere that allows them, but if so, I disabled it so long ago I honestly don't remember ever seeing any. Are other Plex users seeing ads? Was it after a recent update that I may have skipped, maybe?
Comment by tym0 22 hours ago
Last time I searched I couldn't turn it off. But maybe I missed that setting.
Comment by nickthegreek 14 hours ago
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Comment by monkpit 1 day ago
The only thing keeping me on plex is my lifetime plex pass, and family inertia.
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Comment by M95D 20 hours ago
> think of it as Netflix for which you provide the media yourself.
Netflix is a provider of content. If I have the content, why do I need a provider for?
> Having the ability to connect with a client running on something connected to your TV is nice
(???) But that's what I'm doing now with Kodi.
> as is the ability to connect remotely (if you open up the ports on your firewall of course).
Wireguard (only one port), and all home LAN is accessible, not just one service.
> It also gives you things like remembering what shows you were watching and giving a shortcut to the next episode
Kodi does that too. Or maybe you mean it remembers between player devices? See ep.1 on player A and it shows up as seen when I start player B too? That's nice. I think I read somewhere that Kodi can use a remote MySQL/MariaDB for it's library too. I could probably set up a shared DB.
> intro skipping
How does it know where the intro is and how long?
> transcoding
If I were to install Plex/Jellyfin it would be where the storage is - on a router that also serves as a NAS. It doesn't have the power to transcode anything, not even audio. Meanwhile, the lowest spec phone can play everything. So, why would anyone transcode in 2026?
Comment by mingus88 15 hours ago
I have never used Kodi. Does it organize your content? Does it download summaries for every episode? Does it create thumbnails and posters for you? Create mobile transcodes and allow you to cache downloads on your clients?
Does it allow you to create a home with managed accounts? Can your friends and family access it without setting up wireguard, dynamic dns or other manual access methods?
From what I see, Kodi is a media player but I don’t see what else it really brings to the table if you really want a streaming service experience.
I have used XBMC, Boxxee, mythTV and a bunch of other OSS media platforms over the years and Plex is just the most polished and feature rich that I haven’t had a need to look at anything else for a long time.
Comment by M95D 9 hours ago
There is a delete function (if enabled in options), but generally no - files stay where they are. There is a searchable library where files are sorted into various categories. I never used it much, though. I do file management with a file manager.
> Does it download summaries for every episode? Does it create thumbnails and posters for you?
It can, but I take great care to keep those options disabled. If enabled, it would leak the contents of my library to imdb, tmdb, cloudflare, amazon, microsoft, palantir and God knows how many 3-letter agencies.
Thumbnails are ok. They are extracted from the video file. There is a local cache that doesn't pollute the remote storage where the video files are.
> Create mobile transcodes and allow you to cache downloads on your clients?
No. This is the client. I already expressed my doubts about the need for transcoding in 2026.
> Does it allow you to create a home with managed accounts? Can your friends and family access it without setting up wireguard, dynamic dns or other manual access methods?
Anyone can just turn on the TV and have free access to everything in LAN. Why create accounts? I don't give access to outsiders.
> I have used XBMC
It's called Kodi now. :) But the name change was a long time ago.
> From what I see, Kodi is a media player but I don’t see what else it really brings to the table if you really want a streaming service experience.
Yes, that what I don't understand: What exactly is this "streaming experience"?
I turn the TV on, navigate to a file, press play. What else is there?
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Comment by thiht 16 hours ago
I connect it to the internet to use the internet, not sure what you’re expecting?
Comment by nickthegreek 14 hours ago
Comment by beAbU 10 hours ago
Connecting your tv to the internet is quite frankly insane.
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Comment by xoa 16 hours ago
Huh? I find Infuse to be a very solid tvOS/iOS client, and they added built-in support for Jellyfin over 6 years ago [0]. It's right there at the bottom with other media servers they support (Emby & Plex). What's your issue with it?
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b) I would never use an app that used VLC for playback.
Comment by dd8601fn 23 hours ago
And it’s in their repo.
It seems to be status “official beta” and closing in on a new release with a considerable amount of rework done.
I’m running a local build deployed to my appletv and it’s working fine.
Comment by afavour 1 day ago
I say that without judgement, it’s just a reality. Open source was always going to be the path.
Comment by sandcat_ 1 day ago
I paid for Plex for a long time but I no longer use it because I got fed up of fighting it. (I now use Jellyfin + Tailscale instead.) I think the problem with Plex is they aren't happy with what they are: a service for people viewing their own (yes, pirated) media library. They always wanted to be something more. Netflix envy.
But all anyone I know ever wanted Plex to do was handle their media library, perhaps offer a paid tunnelling system but otherwise get out of the way.
Comment by dd8601fn 23 hours ago
That killer remote user connection brokering can’t be free, right?
Comment by jrm4 1 day ago
Maybe I'm old, but it feels like everyone has a little too much "business-brain."
Comment by el_io 1 day ago
Jellyfin-mpv-shim is great.
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The dream would be: anybody with a jellyfin install can add your library to theirs, anybody with the jellyfin client can be invited to browse your library.
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Comment by tym0 21 hours ago
I've been playing with Kodi with the Jellyfin plug-in but it requires such brittle tower of themes and plug-ins to look like Plex that I've yet to make the switch.
Comment by jorl17 1 day ago
Not having that is an absolute deal breaker.