EV sales soar in main European markets as drivers shun expensive petrol
Posted by akyuu 20 hours ago
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Comment by jqpabc123 20 hours ago
Whether Israel is a real winner is yet to be determined.
There is no significant, strategic benefit to the USA despite spending at least $50 billion thus far --- not counting the cost of inflated fuel prices.
Comment by Symbiote 18 hours ago
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/apr/20/electric...
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Comment by melling 16 hours ago
Simply let in EVs from China and let American car companies go out of business.
Comment by smithoc 14 hours ago
We have mandates against leaded fuel and excessively tinted windows and for child seats. We have mandates for airbags and seatbelts and bumper heights and crumple zones and turn signals.
EVs are better than gas cars in every way - less noise, less pollution, less dependency buying oil from the Middle East. Our policies, regulations and incentive structures should mirror that.
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Comment by melling 11 hours ago
Better and cheaper does win.
Comment by ManuelKiessling 16 hours ago
I mean, great that it happens, but yeah, I‘m baffled.
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Comment by bamboozled 15 hours ago
If I’m trying to plan for the future in a world where conflicts this destructive are permanently on the menu, I’m not going to ever buy an ICE car again. No one wants to be at the mercy of anyone else where possible and as someone who only owns ICE cars, it’s been very stressful few weeks.
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Comment by triceratops 18 hours ago
In most countries electric utilities have either regulated rates or are public-owned. They don't increase prices willy-nilly.
Comment by ZeroGravitas 17 hours ago
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Comment by jesterson 5 hours ago
There are several oil companies/sources, but for electricity you are at mercy of those who control grid. Again, unless you have your own generation.
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Comment by whatevaa 17 hours ago
Can't do anything about petrol. Pay or gtfo.
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Comment by IshKebab 15 hours ago
Charging an electric car at home is a lot cheaper than filling an ICE car with petrol. If the price of both doubles you save more money by switching to electric.
To make it really simple...
Before: Petrol car costs £10k to buy, plus 20p/mile (or whatever). Electric car costs £20k, plus 5p/mile.
After: Petrol car costs 40p/mile. Electric car costs 10p/mile.
That pushes the incentive towards electric.
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Comment by diablozzq 18 hours ago
EVs are fine,
yes they are still limited in some cases.
Comment by measurablefunc 18 hours ago
Comment by barbazoo 18 hours ago
> the numbers don't work out
What are the numbers? Are we running out of any of those? Are we not recycling enough materials?
Comment by wao0uuno 17 hours ago
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Comment by vel0city 15 hours ago
Mark Mills is the founder of The National Center for Energy Analytics. Where do they get their funding? Groups like the Texas Public Policy Foundation. Where do they get their funding? That's right, billionaire oilmen.
https://www.texasobserver.org/revealed-the-corporations-and-...
Dude is paid to throw out falsehoods and sow doubt and confusion on behalf of oil industry billionaires.
> The burden of proof is on you to explain why the numbers actually work
The burden of proof is on you to share actual data of your claims there's not enough copper for EVs not ramblings of paid liars on a YouTube video.
> following up on what you take to be articles of faith
Hilarious you're suggesting him asking for actual data is him relying on blind articles of faith while your video is just a man rambling without any actual hard facts in a video, saying lots of things that just on their face make little sense.
Comment by measurablefunc 15 hours ago
Comment by vel0city 15 hours ago
Mark Mills is essentially the same as those researchers who told you cigarettes don't cause cancer and lead in the gas isn't anything to worry about.
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Comment by vel0city 14 hours ago
I actually did the math two hours ago in the other comment showing your point about copper is nonsensical.
Strange the oil man is so concerned about a recycleable metal that an EV uses 200lbs or less of compared to the 48,000lbs a similar ICE will burn in gas. Doesn't bother thinking about all the extraction issues with that or how that will be a finite supply.
Hilarious.
But sure, take the words of a guy paid millions to lie to you about this very topic who gave you no data at all over the actual data I gave below.
Comment by vel0city 17 hours ago
There is only a finite amount of oil as well.
There is only a finite amount of aluminum and iron.
There is only a finite amount of everything on this planet my dude.
> has to be extracted & processed using non-renewable resources
Technically speaking these don't always have to be entirely non-renewable processes. But let's also think: when the copper windings on some EV's motor are toast it can be recycled pretty much infinitely. How many times does that gallon of gasoline get recycled?
Seems strange to have the copper be the thing so uniquely focused on.
You're so focused on like 200lbs of copper that will be in the car the entire life of the car and can then be recycled after the life of the car, being so extremely concerned about how its such a finite resource. Meanwhile you just ignore than a 25mpg ICE car over a 200,000mi life will burn ~48,600lbs of gasoline, none of which is recoverable, and is also a finite resource.
Which one should we me more concerned about using up? The one that's easily recyclable or the one that's not and will be consumed >240x as much?
https://internationalcopper.org/sustainable-copper/about-cop...
> Current copper resources are estimated to exceed 5,000 million tonnes
That's ~50 billion EV cars worth of copper we roughly know about. There's probably more than that out there, we just haven't found it yet. It also just ignores all the copper we've already mined and is in the circular economy.
Comment by zug_zug 18 hours ago
And as status-symbol or identity statement, being anti-oil (or anti beholden on America, Russia, Iran, etc) seems like a pretty good one.
Comment by measurablefunc 18 hours ago
Comment by zug_zug 17 hours ago
Especially when EV vehicles are already working and taking over the market.
Comment by ZeroGravitas 17 hours ago
https://www.desmog.com/mark-p-mills/
> Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, and a Strategic Partner at Cottonwood Venture Partners, an investment firm focused on technological advancements in oil and gas production
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Comment by onraglanroad 16 hours ago
How do people find this convincing? Is it a new fashion?
Comment by ManuelKiessling 15 hours ago
A conventional car uses about 23 kg of copper and a battery-electric car about 83 kg, a difference of roughly 60 kg per vehicle.
With more than 17 million EVs sold in 2024, that implies about 1.4 million tonnes of copper embodied in those vehicles, or about 1.0 million tonnes more copper than comparable conventional cars would have used; applying the same assumptions to the current global passenger-car fleet implies roughly 120 million tonnes total or 87 million tonnes incremental copper for an all-BEV fleet.
Separately, the IEA says that under today’s policy settings and announced projects, copper faces an implied 30% mined-supply shortfall in 2035, while expanded recycling could reduce new mine needs for copper by about 35% by 2050.
USGS copper reserves / resources / mine production https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mcs2025/mcs2025-copper.pdf
USGS Mineral Commodity Summaries 2025 landing page https://pubs.usgs.gov/publication/mcs2025
IEA Global EV Outlook 2025 – trends in electric car markets https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025/trends-in...
IEA Global EV Outlook 2025 – full report page https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025
IEA Global EV Outlook 2025 – PDF https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/assets/7ea38b60-3033-42a6-...
IEA Global Critical Minerals Outlook 2025 – overview for copper shortfall / recycling https://www.iea.org/reports/global-critical-minerals-outlook...
IEA Global Critical Minerals Outlook 2025 – executive summary https://www.iea.org/reports/global-critical-minerals-outlook...
IEA Global Critical Minerals Outlook 2025 – PDF https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/assets/ef5e9b70-3374-4caa-...
International Copper Association – copper intensity in electrification of transport https://internationalcopper.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2...
Comment by measurablefunc 15 hours ago
Comment by vel0city 14 hours ago
You know what's a shortfall today around the world? Gasoline.
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Comment by vel0city 10 hours ago
> You should look into something called EROEI (energy return on energy invested).
I'm very familiar with it. As easy supplies of oil are getting used up the EROEI of oil is falling. It takes a lot of energy to transport and refine all those tar sands after all. It takes a lot of energy to cryogenically transport LNG around the world. And once you burn it, you need yet another shipment of it around the world. Meanwhile the EROEI of modern renewables is often even exceeding natural gas plants. I don't know what to tell you other than it's basic physics.
You might find actually reading sources other than the oil and gas industry lobbyists enlightening on the topic. Quit asking the Altria group if you should quit that smoking habit and go talk to an actual doctor. And before you brush that off, it's exactly what you're doing. You're asking an oil industry insider if you should bother looking into buying less oil. Of course he's going to tell you nothing else makes sense, keep buying oil.
You should look at actual facts with real figures for your next argument about EVs instead of claiming there's not enough copper. I'm sorry you've swallowed so many obvious lies by these guys.
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