Swiss AI Initiative (2023)

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Comment by cristoperb 1 day ago

Apertus is the open source 8b and 70b LLM from swiss-ai. They've published both the base and the instruct sft models. Very cool that projects like this exist.

https://apertvs.ai/pages/documentation/

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Comment by andsoitis 1 day ago

Is it any good?

Comment by cristoperb 1 day ago

I haven't tried it for anything myself yet. The paper provides several benchmarks. The emphasis during training was on multi-language support (over 1800 languages are represented in its pre-training data, which is 40% non-English) and non-copyrighted training data... and the benchmarks seem to suffer for it.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.14233

Comment by nicolaric 1 day ago

it's quite bad tbh. i've tried it for some time and i expected much more...

Comment by khalic 1 day ago

Yes it’s not bad, although it’s not meant to be a chatbot, post training is limited, so it won’t feel as smooth as TOTL of course. The number of supported languages is mind boggling.

Focus was on open data, languages and auditability.

Their loss function is fancy, not sure about the effects

Comment by himata4113 1 day ago

2023, but deadlines less than a month ago? Seems to be been updated continiously so (2023) doesn't really fit here.

Comment by dtech 1 day ago

I propose every Linux post should be tagged (1991) from now on

Comment by gnabgib 1 day ago

(2023) Little said at the time (4 points, 1 comment) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38529956

Comment by andsoitis 1 day ago

Has anything noteworthy come from this initiative? I have not heard of anything yet.

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Comment by TMWNN 1 day ago

Related 2023 discussion (22 comments): <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38523736>

Comment by throwpoaster 22 hours ago

My standard question about Swiss engineering, “how many jewels?”, is failing me.

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Comment by shlewis 1 day ago

Why is this not written in German, I'm afraid to ask?

Comment by kuerbel 1 day ago

Why is it not written in French? Or Italian? Or Romansh? Because Switzerland has four official languages and English makes it easier for everyone

Comment by ale42 1 day ago

Not really. It's because the target audience is more academic/scientific rather than the Swiss population at large. In the latter case, it would be in the local languages. The law is relatively clear for this. English is not accepted in Switzerland as a replacement language for the "local" ones, although many people can speak or at least understand some English.

Comment by kuerbel 1 day ago

heavy sigh I'm Swiss. I know. What I meant to say is that German is not the default language in Switzerland.

Comment by j7ake 1 day ago

Most researchers in Switzerland are non-Swiss, and many institutes have English as language of business

Comment by lynguist 1 day ago

Staff nationality of Swiss higher education institutions:

- Universities: 55% Swiss, 45% foreign - Universities of applied sciences: 75% Swiss, 25% foreign - Universities of teacher education: 87% Swiss, 13% foreign - Professors: 49% Swiss, 51% foreign - PhDs/scientific collaborators: 30% Swiss, 70% foreign - Professors of ETH Zurich: 31% Swiss, 69% foreign

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Comment by rrgok 1 day ago

Why it has to be german?

Comment by leoh 1 day ago

What if I told you there’s this thing in 2026 called an LLM that can translate between any two languages with high fidelity for free, and you just clicked a single button in your browser to use it

Comment by dirasieb 1 day ago

english is the lingua franca

Comment by backscratches 1 day ago

It's a university in a French speaking region for one.

Comment by PetitPrince 1 day ago

Not quite: it's a collab between both ETHZ (Zürich, German speaking) and EPFL (Lausanne, French speaking). According to the website, the actual hardware is distributed all over the country (including in the Italian part).

Comment by dackdel 1 day ago

because the brits won the language wars.

Comment by gib444 1 day ago

And the other wars ;)

Comment by arh5451 1 day ago

Because german is hard.