Amazon is discontinuing Kindle for PC on June 30th

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Comment by AdmiralAsshat 2 days ago

Combined with the announcement that they're killing the old Kindles as well...this is 100% about preventing people from liberating DRM from their books. Full stop. They are closing each and every remaining hole.

Comment by wolvoleo 2 days ago

When they stopped allowing downloads last year I liberated all my books (there was a month before it actually closed down) and stopped buying from Amazon. I'm done.

I now buy from authors directly or I go to my friend Anna. Too bad because the prices were reasonable.

Comment by asveikau 2 days ago

I stopped doing Kindle purchases in the last few years because I sensed they were going in this direction. There are tons of vendors that will give you an epub of most titles. They often come with Adobe DRM but the UX of breaking that is even easier than how it used to be with Kindle.

Comment by fooqux 2 days ago

Sadly the Kindle Unlimited program has gotten so popular that if you wish to read anything independent, you basically can't without using Kindle.

Comment by boznz 2 days ago

I also make my ePubs a free download off my website which prevents me as an author enrolling in this. So just about anything on Kindle Unlimited is only for their ecosystem.

Comment by fooqux 2 days ago

Thank you for this. I can understand why many authors don't want to do this (running a store, etc) but I wish they all did. I'll take a gander; I could use some more sci-fi!

Comment by Unlocked5170 2 days ago

Honestly, I think the Kindle Unlimited (KU) program should be persecuted as an illegal monopoly. A lot of authors actually don't actually like it, but they have to do it because it is the only way to have viable income. This tends to happen with more niche genres though. As an example almost all books in the harem-lit (1 guy and a bunch of lovers) genre are tied to Kindle unlimited. Meanwhile, this creates a self-fulfilling prophecy as pushing more readers to KU and thus making alternative methods of selling even more difficult. Though since KU forces exclusivity on only being sold through Amazon, the authors are forced to switch to it.

I could probably go on a similar rant with Audible too, but that is different story. In short, Amazon has way too much influence over the entire publishing industry.

Comment by DroneBetter 1 day ago

so one could say that the genre of "harem-lit" is itself an apt analogy for the business model of the site to which it is bidden... yes indeed...

Comment by chocochunks 2 days ago

There's self published books and stories on other platforms. There's a bunch that are free too. There's some author's that only use Kindle, but there's plenty of independent stuff out there not Amazon.

Comment by asveikau 2 days ago

Might depend on what you like to read. I haven't hit this a lot. There was one title my daughter wanted which was Kindle exclusive in the US but I was able to get as an Adobe epub from a European seller.

Comment by therealdrag0 2 days ago

Similar with “only on Audible” audio books. Not a majority yet I don’t think, but it’s a big chunk of books restricted to Amazon platform.

Comment by inquirerGeneral 2 days ago

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Comment by exe34 2 days ago

For me it's the other way round - I used to buy from them when I could dedrm, and ensure that they can never pull this kind of bait and switch on me. Every ebook I've bought can be read on any device I own. I will not accept any other level of service.

Comment by snailmailman 2 days ago

This is absolutely what it is. The easiest way to strip drm from a kindle book was through this app. You download the file, strip the drm, done. I think newer versions of the app made it harder? But old versions were still supported.

The more locked down kindle mobile apps and kindle e-readers make it more difficult, but stripping the drm will always be possible.

Comment by tim333 2 days ago

I wonder if it'll actually work? At the moment you can pretty much go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_Genesis and download whatever.

Comment by not_your_vase 2 days ago

Probably it will have a very measurable effect. By every day it gets a bit harder to discover such services - if you know, you know. If you have to ask, you have already lost.

Also, AI chatbots outright refuse to give any answer that is remote related to piracy (or any adjacent topics). Since they take over the role of search engines, that's also a big factor IMO.

Comment by Boss0565 2 days ago

eh... if you word it correctly, an ai chatbot will tell you everything it knows about piracy lol

Comment by shakna 2 days ago

You could download books I wrote from libgen, before the actual publish date, and the files were ones I created specifically for Amazon.

So I'd assume libgen and Anna's Archive will continue on, operating just as normal.

Comment by random_human_ 2 days ago

Nowadays AA [1] is IMO a better choice for users, but aside from that I cannot imagine these changes making much of a difference. There's plenty of ebook sources (Kobo, public libraries, etc) whose DRM are trivial to break (meaning Adobe and, as of a few weeks ago, LPCM). For what little content is exclusive to Kindle, it will just end up like WEB-DL content from streaming services: a handful of knowledgeable uploader with a KU subscription ripping content en masse—and good luck stopping them.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna%27s_Archive

Comment by UltraSane 2 days ago

Which is silly because you can easily just use OCR and screenshots to create DRM free versions of Kindle books.

Comment by jm4 2 days ago

Not to mention it’s as easy to download books from Anna’s Archive as it is to buy them from Amazon. It’s weird going through so much effort to lock down books people already paid for.

I wonder how much this is about making it difficult for people to migrate to another platform. I recently switched to Kobo and the reader is far superior to Kindle. I had a hell of a time moving my library though.

Comment by sbarre 2 days ago

I suspect at least some of this comes from publisher pressure. An acquaintance works for one of the big global book publishers and his general sense from upper management is that they still hate having to sell digital books.

It feels like the last major media industry that is holding out against a "future" that has been here for a long time already.

Comment by mh- 2 days ago

It's all from external pressure. Amazon spending energy on ebook DRM is a negative ROI activity for them.

A vanishingly small % of would-be ebook buyers even know pirated ones exist, and an even smaller one knows how to get those onto their Kindle.

My wife buys dozens of ebooks per year on Amazon, her friends too. I'm guessing if I poll that group, none of them would even know where to start, nor care to.

Comment by justsomehnguy 2 days ago

"Piracy is almost always a service problem" is also true. I see a lot of people who were risen on a pirated .mp3 and .epub to move to the streaming platforms just because it's a bit more convenient.

Comment by sbarre 2 days ago

Yes totally agreed. I pay for streaming music and for Youtube because the costs make sense to me for what I get.

I used to pay for Netflix but now that there's so many different streaming services I have returned to the high seas because we just don't watch enough shows (maybe 3-5 shows a year?), yet they are spread across different services that all cost $20/month now, so the costs don't make sense for us.

For books, honestly, I refuse to accept that an EPUB costs $25 when the hardcover version costs $30. I also have heard first-hand how little of that $25 goes to the author (for the average author, not for a famous one)..

I do try to buy digital books directly from authors when I can, which is increasingly an option from upcoming writers, but otherwise, yarrrr...

Comment by atherton94027 2 days ago

This applies to newspapers too — if you compare the print version to the online version of a newspaper you notice that there's a lot more attention paid to the paper version. Whereas the online version has all kinds of aggressive banners and ads.

I think it's a generational thing, for a lot of publishers the internet is this newfangled thing

Comment by UltraSane 2 days ago

It is really easy to buy a book, cut the spine off and feed the pages into a sheet fed scanner.

Comment by jasomill 1 day ago

This reminds me of college, where I used to take my textbooks to the local copy shop to get the pages sliced out and three-hole punched so I only had to carry around currently relevant chapters rather than 30 lbs of books.

As for e-books, long story short, my low-tech chop-and-punch method tended to be cheaper and/or more convenient than the available legal e-book options at the time.

I considered scanning, and even had access to a sheet-fed duplex scanner, but given that the only mobile device I had at the time, a 17" PowerBook G4, was both awkward as an e-book reader and heavier than the unbound printed pages I was carrying around, it wasn't worth the hassle.

Comment by UltraSane 1 day ago

I actually bought a special flatbed book scanner where the glass was flush with one side and scanned every page of a book and then returned it. Scanning was tedious but not too bad while watching a good show or movie and getting my money back felt so good. Adobe Acrobat Pro can convert 800MB of scanned pages into a 70MB PDF with searchable and copy-able text.

Comment by PearlRiver 2 days ago

It gets even weirder in the Netherlands were the book industry has created a cartel. They have a minimum price that you cannot go under.

Of course what happened is that lots of people just started to import English paperbacks bypassing all the local laws. The price difference was just insane.

Dutch people in general do not have an overinflated view of their own language like in France.

Comment by carlosjobim 2 days ago

It's to stop people from seeding new books to shadow libraries. It's not as easy to find new books on AA as on Amazon.

Comment by jasomill 1 day ago

Given how quickly full-quality releases of movies and TV shows appear after they're first streamed, this is surprising to me, at least so long as the PC and/or Android Kindle apps continue to exist.

Comment by carlosjobim 1 day ago

That's the title of the post.

Comment by estimator7292 2 days ago

OCR'd ebooks are universally trash. For one, all formatting is gone. Anything in the book other than ASCII characters will vanish. You lose links within the book and all other advanced features.

And OCR is generally just not accurate enough and still makes very visible mistakes throughout the text.

Have you read many OCR'd ebooks? I have, and every single one was massively inferior. Most I would consider barely readable.

Comment by UltraSane 2 days ago

For books that you want to keep the formatting the best option is to use Adobe Acrobat Pro and its Editable Text and Images feature. This replaces the scanned letters with a custom TrueType font. I used this in college to scan textbooks and it worked really well. Modern OCR on books is incredibly accurate.

see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhJ9zqY8Da0

Comment by zshn25 2 days ago

Open-source, free version of this is Stirling PDF https://github.com/Stirling-Tools/Stirling-PDF where you can do very accurate OCR while keep the formatting.

Comment by wolvoleo 2 days ago

I love it when formatting is removed. Some ebooks especially epub don't work well with alternative fonts somehow.

Comment by asveikau 2 days ago

What OCR do you guys use? I have only seen OCR that makes a lot of errors. Having it be usable requires tons of manual review. I probably wouldn't trust an LLM to do that review because it may introduce its own errors.

Edit: downvoters, would you like to answer my question? I would genuinely like to know. I thought based on the confidence of the comment above there must be a super accurate OCR I've never heard of, but after seeing the sibling comment I'm going to guess there isn't.

Comment by zshn25 2 days ago

Stirling PDF https://github.com/Stirling-Tools/Stirling-PDF is a free self-hosted PDF tool that can do very accurate OCR while keeping the formatting.

Comment by UltraSane 2 days ago

Modern OCR is VERY accurate. Heck Adobe Acrobat Pro OCR was essentially perfect 20 years ago.

Comment by wl 2 days ago

One of my hobbies is typesetting modern editions of a certain type of rare, obscure old books that were poorly typeset to begin with. Modern OCR—and I’ve tried plenty of tools—is still rather error prone in my application.

Comment by asveikau 2 days ago

Can you name a good open source one? I have spent many hours in the current decade correcting OCR errors. Mostly tesseract.

Comment by echelon 2 days ago

> they're killing the old Kindles as well

Wait, what? What's the scope, and when does it happen?

Comment by sgiratch 2 days ago

I got this April 8th:

"Dear Customer,

Thank you for being a longtime Kindle customer. We're glad our devices have served you well for as long as they have. Starting May 20, 2026 — 14 to 18 years after their initial launches — we are discontinuing support for Kindle devices released in 2012 or earlier. Here's what this means for you:

You can continue to read books already downloaded on these devices, but you will not be able to purchase, borrow, or download additional books on them after that date. If you deregister or factory reset these devices, you will not be able to re-register or use these devices in any way.

Affected devices include Kindle 1st and 2nd Generation, Kindle DX and DX Graphite, Kindle Keyboard, Kindle 4, Kindle Touch, Kindle 5, and Kindle Paperwhite 1st Generation.

To minimize any disruption, we're offering a promotional code for 20% off select new Kindle devices B4PT5XAJ74 as well as a $20 eBook credit that will be automatically added to your account after purchasing a new device (valid through June 20th, 2026, 11:59pm PST - Terms and Conditions apply). Our newer Kindle devices bring meaningful improvements in screen quality, performance and accessibility — and you'll have access to your complete Kindle library and the Kindle Store. You can also continue to read all your books on our free Kindle apps (Android, iOS, Mac, and PC) and Kindle for Web.

If you have any questions or require assistance, please visit https://www.amazon.com/help/kindle/devicedeprecation.

Sincerely, The Kindle Team"

Comment by boneitis 2 days ago

"or use these devices in any way"?

My jailbroken Kindle has been sitting in a drawer for a while, but I do go into phases where I am using it heavily for months at a time. But, what I'm really getting at is, I don't find myself having to undertake the procedure to root a Kindle on a regular basis.

Could someone clarify for me -- if I nab another secondhand device from eBay after May 20, will I be able to jailbreak it?

Comment by snailmailman 2 days ago

Generally speaking, they auto update, and the latest firmware is always patched to not be jailbreakable. However airplane mode easily dodges the auto update process, and new vulnerabilities are found to enable jailbreaking eventually.

When I bought mine, it was updated to the latest firmware. I wanted to jailbreak mine, the method was “there isn’t one yet” so I set it in airplane mode. For a bit I manually copied all books over usb to the kindle, or disabled airplane mode to read new books if there wasn’t a new firmware version out yet anyway. A few months later, there was a jailbreak method. Now ive jailbroken. I can even connect it to the internet, and auto updates are prevented.

If the kindle is old enough it doesn’t recieve updates anyway though, then it should be very easy.

https://kindlemodding.org/kindle-models.html

Comment by davkan 2 days ago

Yeah once you jailbreak you can replace the ota binary with a dummy and it won’t update anymore.

Personally i would not buy a kindle with the intent to jailbreak it, just buy a kobo.

The exception being if you want a scribe. There is no other 10” 300dpi ereader. I bought mine from an eBay seller who had one on the correct version and jailbreaking it was a bit anxiety inducing, given the cost and the fact I had no use for it if it were unsuccessful.

Comment by 47282847 2 days ago

I don’t see the point in buying a Kindle if you plan to jailbreak it anyway. Hardware wise, a wide range of better alternatives are available.

Comment by boneitis 1 day ago

Always had my eye on the Oasis line. There's something about the apparent ergonomics that look precisely like what I've always wanted in an e-reader but just isn't there in any other that I've seen. The Kobo Libra only almost nails it; bummer, since it has a color screen.

In any case, Oasis firmware seems to already be capped and isn't among the models being sunset anyway, should I decide to try it out.

Comment by boneitis 23 hours ago

Want to follow up for anyone possibly taking ideas from my post (though I've already put in an order on an un-registerable Oasis) -- if I had a bigger budget, the Boox Go 7 (2nd gen) looks like the way to go.

Comment by exe34 2 days ago

> To minimize any disruption, we're offering a promotional code for 20% off select new Kindle devices B4PT5XAJ74 as well as a $20 eBook credit that will be automatically added to your account after purchasing a new device (valid through June 20th, 2026, 11:59pm PST - Terms and Conditions apply).

That does minimize the disruption for me. In fact I will never buy a new kindle nor buy an ebook from amazon ever again.

Comment by chatmasta 2 days ago

wtf. I’ve had my kindle since 2011, the battery still lasts weeks, it works perfectly, and I frequently praise Amazon for this. wtf.

Will I be able to load books via USB? Or there is some new DRM the kindle won’t be able to decrypt?

Comment by sbarre 2 days ago

Yeah this is my question. My Kindle has been in airplane mode since the day I bought it.

As long as I can still keep loading books on it over USB, and it's just their DRM ecosystem that will stop working, that's fine with me.

But if they are aggressively bricking the units, if I accidentally turn on wifi by accident and it just completely stops working, I will be extremely pissed.

Comment by fn-mote 2 days ago

Jailbreak it now to avoid the risk.

Comment by DaSHacka 2 days ago

Is there a tool for jailbroken Kindles to prevent this bricking from happening?

Comment by davkan 2 days ago

Yes you can prevent OTA updates.

Comment by alanfranz 2 days ago

they are not bricking the units. just kindle store won't be available anymore, and the azw/epub version which is supported on your kindles won't be provided anymore by amazon anywhere.

what is on the kindle will stay and keep working.

if you reset the kindle, DRMed content won't work anymore.

Comment by sbarre 2 days ago

Ah cool, well that's fine, I don't load DRM content on it anyways.

Comment by chocochunks 2 days ago

You can load DRM free books. Amazon already killed their method of loading DRM laden eBooks onto older Kindles by USB in the last year or so.

Comment by bee_rider 2 days ago

It’s sort of funny that this kind of thing could be, not just something that they will probably just get away with, but totally uncontested and not even surprising really. Just sorta like, yeah, obviously you don’t own your library and they’ll cut off access to it whenever they want!

Comment by NetMageSCW 2 days ago

Access to your library continues to be available with free apps on phone, or Windows, or a newer Kindle as well as any browser, so the loss of support of 14 year old mobile devices doesn’t seem like huge news. There can’t be too many still in use even.

Comment by bee_rider 2 days ago

The article appears to be about “Kindle for PC.” It does look like there’s a Windows 11 app, though, for folks who’ve switched to the post-QA OS.

Comment by mh- 2 days ago

I would expect most of them have had their batteries fail long ago. Especially if they were disused for an extended period of time.

Comment by aaronscott 2 days ago

I replaced the battery on my kindle 4 not that long ago. It had the best UX for extended reading when compared to newer kindles.

The biggest downside was not having a frontlit display.

I recently switch to an xteink x4, and found that several others in that community migrated from kindle 4s as well. So there are still some number of users in the world that value the device.

Comment by mh- 2 days ago

I'm sure there are, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. It's just that the numbers are relatively small.

I'm actually surprised that Amazon didn't offer to do a buyback of them.

Comment by gjsman-1000 2 days ago

Not necessarily? There was a post just a year ago on how somebody jailbroke the kindle books from the web UI.

I think the more plausible and likely explanations are:

1. Kindles take a beating when people actually use them instead of putting them in a drawer. Not many older kindles are still in circulation that are old + used. How good is a 14 year old lithium battery at best doing?

2. Added to the above, how is a 14 year old CPU doing when trying to support modern features and eBooks that now have metadata that did not exist at the time, such as fancier typesetting and color?

3. As for the Windows app, it's terrible. Horrible. Awful. Nobody liked it. Nobody uses it. It will not be missed.

Comment by n8henrie 2 days ago

I strongly disagree. If it's doing well enough for the owner then it's doing well enough. I don't understand how one can tell someone else that their computer is unacceptably slow for that other individual's personal use.

This is a really unfortunate move by Amazon. My next e-reader will be one that I own (instead of just rent).

Glad that I took the time to jailbreak and pause updates on my 2017 kindle paperwhite while I could.

Comment by alexgieg 2 days ago

I'd suggest cheap Android-based Chinese e-Ink e-readers if you want flexibility. My current one is a Bigme B6, which was for sale in my country a few months ago.

Their main advantage is providing access to all e-reading apps available on the Google Play Store, including Amazon's own Kindle app, as well as sideloaded ones such as KOReader.

On the downside, the battery life on those isn't as good as that of dedicated Kindles, Kobos, or other lightweight e-readers, but they still hold a charge for four or five days if one turns off their antennas, which is plenty of time to recharge them.

As for the ebooks themselves, I switched to purchasing from Kobo and other ebook stores. Some sell DRM-less ePubs, which is nice, while those that come with DRM can be easily liberated. And for the occasional Kindle-exclusive that is struck with (temporarily) unbreakable DRM, the Kindle app, although annoying, works well enough.

Comment by abnercoimbre 2 days ago

I'm pleased with OBOOK5. It runs Obook OS which is a Linux OS. Never nagged me to connect to WiFi or anything, I simply plugged a cable to transfer my local stuff.

Also hearing good things about XTEINK X4.

Comment by sbarre 2 days ago

I have an XTEINK X4. It's quite small, but if that's ok with you, then it's a fantastic little reader.

Comment by aaronscott 2 days ago

Same here, I quite enjoy it. Plus there is open source software available, such as crosspoint. It’s easy to flash and an opus call away to change the behavior if you want something to work differently.

Comment by sbarre 2 days ago

Yeah I flashed Crosspoint on it as soon as I got it.. Seeing the improvements it provided was partly what convinced me to buy the device.

I really appreciate that the company that makes the device has embraced the community firmware scene and even links directly to them from their website as a semi-blessed alternative to their official one.

Comment by cbdevidal 2 days ago

I’ve had a pair of Nook Simple Touch for over ten years and they are wonderful for PDFs. Stored 100% offline. Good for prepper books.

Comment by lostlogin 2 days ago

Kobo, syncing with a home library (CalibreWeb) works well.

I do miss physical buttons a little, but that’s minor gripe.

Comment by elabajaba 2 days ago

You do know that both the Kobo Libra and Sage have physical buttons, right?

Comment by lostlogin 2 days ago

Thanks. I didn’t know, but looking at them I must have noticed when I settled on the Clara - the price of the Sage is a lot higher, almost double.

I struggled with reviews when buying as I do love having a local library and the ease/difficulty of setting this up is never in device reviews.

Comment by sgiratch 2 days ago

Both my Kindle Touch and my Kindle Paperwhite gen1 are still completely fine. And I havent noticed any typesetting etc that doesnt work.

All of these discontinued devices support the AWZ4-format (which can be de-drmed and what im guessing this whole thing is about), but the newer ones use KFX which locks you perfectly into the Amazon and Kindle-ecosystem

Comment by snailmailman 2 days ago

It’s more difficult, but KFX drm is still possible to break.

Comment by gjsman-1000 2 days ago

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Comment by unethical_ban 2 days ago

I still own my voyage from 2014 era. Amazon forcing new formats is their choice. Deprecating old kindles is a choice. This is all about ending people's ability to remove DRM from books they bought.

I'll never own a kindle again. Does anyone know which platforms work with Calibre De-DRM? Or do we need to build a screen cap tool for transforming books to an open format?

Comment by tlavoie 2 days ago

I've had good luck with my Kobo, for those books bought through their store. (I strip DRM from everything I can, if I can't buy without in the first place.)

Comment by Larrikin 2 days ago

Kobo seems to be the current leader. You can also load KoReader and Tailscale on it

Comment by datatrashfire 2 days ago

both my kindle and wife's work great and we have been using them regularly. they are actually very well made and durable devices.

Comment by Washuu 2 days ago

> Not necessarily? There was a post just a year ago on how somebody jailbroke the kindle books from the web UI.

I used that research to build something similar. It only works for manga and comics right now, but I have been tinkering with implementing glyph support as well to be able to handle full books.

https://github.com/Alexia/kandle-downloader

The original research is here, but the web site is down right now. https://blog.pixelmelt.dev/kindle-web-drm/

Comment by AdmiralAsshat 2 days ago

Probably not the best place to ping for technical support, but, since you claim to be the author, and I don't see any "Issues" on your GH...

Any idea why your script does not seem to flag as a valid greasemonkey script when I try to use it in the Falkon (KDE) browser? Even if I attempt to add it manually, the script then disappears from my gm scripts.

Comment by Washuu 2 days ago

> I don't see any "Issues" on your GH...

Issues and PRs are available to open.(I just have not gotten any yet.)

> Any idea why your script does not seem to flag as a valid greasemonkey script when I try to use it in the Falkon (KDE) browser?

Honestly, no idea. I have only tested it with Tampermonkey on Firefox. Manually installing it should still work.

Comment by lopis 2 days ago

I just replaced the battery on my Kindle 3rd gen (2010?) and it's basically as good as new now. Batteries are easy to find online.

Comment by boznz 2 days ago

an ePub book is basically a zipped HTML folder with static pictures and text. A 18 year old kindle can still render it easily. I expect Amazon are adding a lot more DRM and hoops than required. I also noticed if you havent read a book you downloaded for a while it wont let you read it again without re-connecting. Just glad I pulled everything onto my PC and Kobo a few years back. Agree the PC interface is pretty crappy though.

Comment by lovelearning 2 days ago

> Nobody uses it. It will not be missed.

Well, I happen to use it everyday. I honestly don't know what exactly is "terrible/horrible/awful" about it. I'm neutral about its UX - neither memorable nor despicable. It may be missed if the new app's UX turns out to be worse on whatever metrics you're using.

Comment by shrubble 2 days ago

After Anthropic wholesale pirated millions of books, and got only a slap on the wrist and no jail time, and Meta did almost the same, I've decided that "Anna's" plus used physical books plus printed new books are the right combination.

Comment by embedding-shape 2 days ago

> After Anthropic wholesale pirated millions of books

It's so much worse, they've literally destroyed real physical books in the hopes of that helping them "workaround" copyright, which we "regular" citizens need to comply with: https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/anthropic-destroyed-milli...

I guess it depends by your definition of "worse", the process of buying books and destroying them was considered "transformative" enough to be considered legal, while Anthropic later did piracy and kind of legally undermined the whole book scanning operation.

Comment by chromacity 2 days ago

It's kinda poetic that in the entire process, authors get screwed thrice. First, by the publishers and retailers, who keep 80% of the revenue. Then, by the hacker culture that enables widespread, institutionalized book piracy for the sake of "information wanting to be free". And finally, by the same hacker culture gone corporate, where "grown-up" geeks conclude that, since we already have all these pirated works out there, what's the harm of training LLMs on that.

Music is quite similar, and I've actually seen piracy justified by saying that "eh, the musicians are screwed either way". And of course, that piracy enabled suno.ai, which is now making sure that the musicians are really screwed.

Comment by ziml77 2 days ago

Don't forget the 4th way they get screwed which that the AI trained on the books is spitting out a flood of new books that push the real authors out.

Comment by boznz 2 days ago

Too true, and with 1000's of new books added daily, new authors are lost in the noise. Writing is a lifestyle choice and a hobby, you will need to be very lucky, have a strong following or be pushed by a big publishing house to make any money from it, even successful indie authors will earn in a year what a good programmer earns in a day.

Comment by cbdevidal 2 days ago

What are “Anna’s”?

Comment by mainmailman 2 days ago

What is Anna’s?

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Comment by wrxd 2 days ago

I’m so happy I downloaded all my Kindle books when I still had a chance and then moved to the Kobo ecosystem, which albeit not perfect is much much better

Comment by cyberpunk 2 days ago

I was kinda amazed to find out how hard it was to buy a kobo libra colour in .de -- apparently there's some kind of cartel thing going on where amazon somehow convince entire markets not to sell their competitors products. I had to order it from Hungary or something iirc.

Comment by hollandheese 2 days ago

That's because Kobo's sister company Tolino operates in Germany. It has nothing to do with Amazon.

Comment by cyberpunk 2 days ago

Ah that makes a little more sense. Do they jut rebrand kobo devices to tolino? I see they also have a colour e-reader but i can’t really tell if it’s the same device or not…

Comment by MrGreenTea 2 days ago

I don't know if that is Amazon in Germany. Here all the book stores sell Tolino devices, even my local libraries loan them out.

Comment by vlod 2 days ago

Would you mind elaborating on the problems you have with the Kobo? I'm thinking of getting one of these once my kindle dies.

Comment by wrxd 2 days ago

It works well and I haven’t had any issue. It doesn’t get full marks because it’s not an open device itself but more a device that’s easy to hack.

For example, most books in the kobo store have DRM (to be fair I don’t think it’s entirely their choice), albeit an easy one to break.

You see people here recommending “get a Kobo and install koreader”. That works and there is a one-click install process but it’s still an hack.

Another common thing to do is to keep the stock reader but tweak a file to point the store API to a self-hosted Komga/Calibre Web Automated/Grimmmory instance to get your own books in the system. Again, it works well enough but it’s not like these are documented API.

The bottom line is: it works very well and you can very easily tweak it but the way you tweak it are hacks (reasonable clean ones) rather than officially supported features. Thats why it loses a few marks

Comment by wrxd 2 days ago

Said that, if you are not in the business of self-hosting, you can easily load books via USB or and it even has Dropbox or Google Drive integrations that work out of the box if you prefer network synchronisation

Comment by jm4 2 days ago

No issues here. I liberated my kindle library and put it in Google Drive. The Kobo can download books from there out of the box. The Kobo store works fine too, although a lot of books barely have any reviews if you’re into that. I have the Kobo Libra Colour and it’s by far the best reader I’ve ever owned.

Comment by lostlogin 2 days ago

Im in NZ, no issues.

Setting up syncing with a home library is a bit messy first time, but very doable.

The only other e-reader I’ve owned is a Kindle Paperwhite and it’s similar.

Comment by kimos 2 days ago

I’m in Canada. I’ve had a couple of Kobos and I’ve loved every single one of them. The Kobo bookstore works fine. No complaints.

Comment by Multicomp 2 days ago

I never bought into Kindle because of this lockdown attitude. I buy audiobooks from audiobookstore and ebooks from google play books when lazy and itch and the other usual independent sites that sell drm free files when I'm not doing a jit in time purchase. I have a kindle I USB sideload or put files on sd card, because it has a physical keyboard.

But with the state of digital goods disrepect for the customer and locking us in mustache twirling reasons, I have better ways to spend my income. Yes I am not above reading shadow copies of books at times, but I'd rather kindle sell all titles as DRM free on rootable devices and their convenient storefront would be enough for me to direct my business there more.

Comment by beej71 2 days ago

The Kindle isn't a bad device on its own. Personally I use a Kobo. But I never pay for any ebook that I can't keep indefinitely one way or another.

I also have an old Kindle 4 that needs to be jailbroken before the May 30th deadline. Maybe I'll do that today. Gets you out of the ecosystem. And old Kindles can be found pretty cheap.

Comment by EA-3167 2 days ago

When Amazon started locking it all down last year I bailed on their ecosystem for Kobo’s store, but I use a Boox device. As long as I can back it up in any format I’m happy, and as soon as Amazon crossed that line they lost my business.

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Comment by abawany 2 days ago

the drm is the reason why I never bought any kindle along with the relatively small non-expandable onboard storage, though the dx was tempting to me for a bit. I've stuck with Kobo, Pocketbook, and reMarkable and have been happy with them.

Comment by beej71 1 day ago

I've considered the PocketBook. How do you like it vs the Kobo?

Comment by abawany 1 day ago

I prefer it as I don't like the following things about the kobo: ads for their stuff on the front page, and cumbersome sync (they seem to use a sqlite db to scan the loaded books on each sync, which for my ebooks takes a long while.) By comparison, pocketbook is what I want in a device: a file manager like interface to access my library, no fuss sync (via rsync and usb, primarily - I use their cloud to store books to read across devices), a good ecosystem of third party installs, and a front page that just features my books instead of whatever they want me to buy.

Comment by Zanni 2 days ago

I used to feel this way, but I reconsidered my threat model. You know what format is "locked in"? Physical books. Can only exist in one location at a time. If you loan it out, you can't read it until it's returned. Subject to theft, fire, rot, bugs or simply being lost.

There are aspects of Kindle I don't love--the constantly changing cover art for books I've purchased--but I've never run into an actual problem. I've got 2,500 books on my Kindle devices, and I can access them anywhere in the world at any time on my dedicated readers, my phone, my laptop (via Kindle Cloud Reader).

If DRM is the price I have to pay for a dead-simple ecosystem, multi-device support and free cloud storage, well, I guess I'm happy to pay it.

Comment by beej71 2 days ago

> If DRM is the price I have to pay for a dead-simple ecosystem, multi-device support and free cloud storage, well, I guess I'm happy to pay it.

That makes one of us. To each their own, I guess.

Comment by stryan 2 days ago

You can copy physical books for storage/otherwise personal use IIRC so it's not quite as locked down as a DRMd book. Not sure what the legal state of hand copying a book and then loaning it out as it probably doesn't come up much.

Comment by cyberpunk 2 days ago

I mean really? Oh I can't see someone heading down to the copy shop to scan every page of war and peace and then print it out when you can get a used one for less than the paper cost..

Comment by aeonik 2 days ago

Growing up, in school, teachers would do this all the time with our text books.

Comment by chocochunks 2 days ago

You can get pretty much the same thing from Amazon's competitors. With less burdensome DRM.

Comment by ravenstine 2 days ago

They're likely doing this because it's likely the only remaining loophole to their new DRM scheme. Too bad for them it's caused me to buy all my ebooks elsewhere.

Comment by beej71 2 days ago

If the book is readable, it can be pirated. Even the most labor-intensive piracy technique is not that difficult. And once a drm-free book is out there, it's out there.

Comment by cbdevidal 2 days ago

Though sadly the new types of Kinds require a method of extracting Kindles to PDF which is an order of magnitude harder than the old Calibre DeDRM method. I had to boot Bluestacks and export license files and rub my tummy and pat my head and do the Hokey Pokey… but in the end, the books are now 100% mine.

Edit: It’s been a while. Looks like the process is more streamlined, but still not what it used to be.

Comment by beej71 1 day ago

Harder, for sure. But you just need one copy in the wild...

Comment by rgovostes 2 days ago

A number of comments are along the lines of "people will just pirate books from Library Genesis / Anna's Archive". It seems obvious the motivation is cutting off the supply of new books to those sites.

Comment by dmantis 2 days ago

I don't see how their measures will help. It might have helped a few years ago, but one can literally ask to recreate the full book contents 1-to-1 with any local uncensored LLM just from a video of changing pages. You don't even need to break a DRM in a classical way.

If I were them, I would rather respect my users than fight with windmills.

Comment by jasomill 1 day ago

That's putting a lot of trust in the LLM to avoid transcription errors, especially in books that include equations and similar complicated formatting, books in languages not well-represented in the LLM's training set, etc.

To say nothing of books with pictures.

As an alternative, why not hack the Android Kindle app to spit out bit-perfect DRM-free copies, with or without the assistance of the same LLM?

Comment by elicash 2 days ago

> The company has disclosed to Good e-Reader that Amazon is developing a new Kindle for PC app, but it will only be compatible with Windows 11.

Comment by WillAdams 2 days ago

FWIW, I'm quite disappointed that they didn't continue in the vein of the Windows 8 app which was touch friendly and worked quite nicely w/ a stylus.

I'm hoping that with the discontinuation of:

https://read.amazon.com/kindle-notebook

that it will become possible to view Kindle Scribe notebooks in this new application as it is to view them in the Kindle App on Android (when it doesn't crash).

Comment by arikrahman 2 days ago

Everyday it's proven companies are their own worst enemy, from Blizzard to Amazon. Kobo should be paying Amazon for the free marketing.

Comment by nightski 2 days ago

I have a smattering of books on Kindle, mostly fiction/novels. But the vast majority of my book conllection consists of non-fiction/textbooks and I recently switched to Booklore on my NAS. I have over 900 textbooks and can access them anywhere via a WireGuard VPN. It's so slick!

Booklore seems great, but I'll admit there may be even better options. However this is the future of books for me. I'd like to start replacing more and more of my physical books with pdf/epub copies. It's been hard because there is nothing I love more than sitting down with a physical book. But this is definitely far more convenient.

I now want to start building up a research paper library in the same system.

Comment by dml2135 2 days ago

There was some whole blowup with Booklore over it being vibecoded by a single maintainer recently. I think the project has changed ownership since then, but be cautious.

I use Calibre + Calibre Web. Definitely a bit old and clunky, but reliable.

Comment by davkan 2 days ago

Booklore was nuked by the maintainer after the blowup and no longer exists. Mostly it was not vibecoded, just the last few releases. The other contributors have since forked it as grimmory and have already done a first release that removes the telemetry etc. Grimmory is great imo and seems to be in good hands now.

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Comment by lostlogin 2 days ago

Ditto for Calibre Web. Clunky, but effective.

I wish there was a way to add books to a ‘shelf’ (a collection, which you can sync to a device) without having to open each book and add. I want to go Select + Select + Select > Add > Sync.

Comment by ak217 2 days ago

I have my Kindle permanently in airplane mode to keep it away from Amazon's shenanigans and use Calibre to upload books to it, but if/when it breaks I have a feeling my next e-reader will be a Rakuten Kobo.

Comment by Bridged7756 2 days ago

FYI if you have an older kindle you possibly can jailbreak it and getting KoReader on in.

Even newer Kindles can be jail broken, provided they're on the right version.

Comment by wiether 2 days ago

It's funny that the top product recommendation on the website is the "Kobo Remote Control", which is the main thing that is making me think of going to Kobo once my Kindle Paperwhite is dead.

Amazon abandoning +14yo products, I don't care. I'm surprised they kept them alive that long. And they'll still work, just not with the store.

The DRM/Kindle for PC thing, I don't care. I'm perfectly aware that "buying" a digital good is actually a temporary license. I'm paying for the convenience, not to own "something". And since I've paid my fair share of "copie privée" tax, if I want to grab a persistent copy of an ebook I purchased on Amazon, I got it from the high seas.

Comment by outlore 2 days ago

Get a kobo Libra color. Put Koreader on it. add the bookfusion or LocalSend plugin. Thank me later

Comment by j45 2 days ago

Good thing I'm discontinuing Kindle for me.

Comment by themadturk 2 days ago

Glad to have gotten off Kindle and onto Kobo years ago. Enshittification continues on. Now, we just have to wait for the publishers to put the screws to Rakuten...

Comment by lores 2 days ago

These convenient and cheap book/game/video platforms sure killed piracy. Now that piracy's gone forever, we can enshittify the whole thing again! At least I imagine that's how it went in the meeting of 35 year-old corporate suits.

Comment by lostlogin 2 days ago

> These convenient and cheap book/game/video platforms sure killed piracy.

The first rule of fight club is that you don’t talk about fight club. Though don’t have to deny its existence.

Comment by gos9 2 days ago

Imagine paying for ebooks in 2026 lmao

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