Maine Said No to New Data Centers. Other States Are Racing to Follow
Posted by cdrnsf 9 hours ago
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Comment by xorvoid 7 hours ago
Personally I think it's mostly a proxy vote against bigtech/social-media. People are pretty fed up with their practices but don't have power to act at a national level. But, they DO have power at the local level to show up to town council and talk directly (in-person) to their representatives.
I think the other side of this is that there's this old idea (mostly correct) that municipalities partnering with businesses is good for the community because it brings positive side-effects: jobs, more cashflow in the local economy, etc. This is much less true for data centers. It's just a building that uses power and produces heat/by-products. Generally, employment gains are tiny compared with the old "automaker" labor model of the 1960s-1980s
People recognize this and they're not happy. They don't think it's a good deal for their communities.
Comment by Tanoc 7 hours ago
Comment by tylerchilds 5 hours ago
Put a different way, some companies have made a lot of money with business models that hinge on victims never being able to reach a human.
Those same companies want to set up phone centers in the neighborhoods of the people they’ve neglected that also will not take their calls.
Town hall it is.
Comment by ericd 6 hours ago
Comment by Epa095 2 hours ago
The reason the DC want to be placed in proximity to people is to get access to the infrastructure, electricity grid and roads. I think the next natural step is to just put the DC further away from existing infrastructure and pay for the connect, not move to space.
Comment by bastawhiz 8 hours ago
Quieter? Lower water use? Lower energy use? Mandatory accessory green spaces? Property taxes that reflect the value being derived relative to inconvenience/pain inflicted on the community? Jobs programs?
I think there's a lot of ideas to mitigate the downsides of data centers. Many of the people who don't want data centers have such proposals that are opposed by different people who don't want data centers.
Comment by TimJRobinson 4 hours ago
This empowers people making them feel less beholden to rising energy prices, and gives the data center more energy for its needs as the grid is freed up.
Comment by gdulli 7 hours ago
We've been slowly boiling alive in the reality that the tech industry has long been evolving to hurt us more and help us less each year. We'd be neutral or welcoming to data centers if we didn't know that storing and processing all that data was going to be used against us.
Comment by ivraatiems 4 hours ago
It's not enough to offer incentives. You have to explain why you even need to do it in the first place, and the answer better not be "we want money."
Comment by JuniperMesos 2 hours ago
Comment by DangitBobby 6 hours ago
Comment by thepryz 8 hours ago
Amazon and other companies already have job training programs because they cannot find enough skilled labor to build and operate their data centers. The number of jobs commonly cited are comically lower than what is common to operate a modern hyperscaler. In my experience, hyperscalers often have at least 100-200 people on site to operate the data center and I've seen more than 1000 people on a site when the data center is under construction.
The real issue, as always, are the local governments and utilities that sellout out the citizens and fail to create and enforce building codes. The governments should be using the demand for data centers to partner with the companies and have them pay to modernize and fix the power grid. They should be using them to help subsidize green energy initiatives among other things and fund other projects to benefit the community.
The inconvenient truth is that the problem with data centers lies with the people in the communities who continue to elect politicians who, time and time again, make decisions counter to the best interests of their community. Data centers just happen to be the latest scapegoat to distract people from corrupt politicians and an community that is not civically engaged enough to hold their politicians accountable.
Comment by vrganj 8 hours ago
Why would anyone want them?
The only thing that'd change my mind would be full communal ownership in addition to everything you've said.
Comment by JuniperMesos 2 hours ago
Honestly, I think it's possible that there isn't really organic opposition to data centers from people living in communities near them at all - but instead, there is opposition to them from people like Mother Jones magazine journalist Sophie Hurwitz, who is therefore motivated to write an article reporting on Maine banning data centers while framing it as a reasonable policy, and implying that this is a reasonable thing for other local governments considering data center bans to enact.
I note that every person cited in this article is some kind of national-level ideological actor - a member of a pro-data-center lobbying group; a researcher affiliated with the Federation of American Scientists which is a NGO headquartered in Washington D.C.; the head of Good Jobs First, which is another Washington D.C.-headquartered nonprofit; and several well-known national politicians who are already known for being suspicious of the tech industry.
There's no quote from any ordinary person in Maine who talks about some concrete negative impact of a data center near them - the closest thing is a link to an article with a quote from the Maine state representative who sponsored the bill, which states: "“It’s not that there’s no place for data centers in Maine,” said Democratic Rep. Melanie Sachs, who sponsored the measure. “Frankly, the tradeoffs have not been shown to be of benefit to our ratepayers, water usage or community benefit in terms of economic activity.”. The idea that data centers use a particularly large amount of water is basically complete bullshit promulgated by national-level prestige journalists (https://www.andymasley.com/writing/the-ai-water-issue-is-fak...), which makes me skeptical that this is an issue brought to Sachs' attention from her local constituents.
Data centers really do use a lot of electrical power, but the article has the quote "n Maine, electricity bills have already increased by 58 percent on average over the last 5 years. Much of that price jump is likely due to the state’s reliance on natural gas—but some Mainers fear that data center buildout will only increase their expenses.", which is the sort of thing you'd write if you were trying to associate a rise in electricity costs with data centers without being able to demonstrate that data centers are actually causing electric power costs to increase for ordinary people.
Comment by Danox 6 hours ago
Comment by CamperBob2 6 hours ago
If it's true that they can be constructed in space and operated remotely, then they can also be placed on container ships, on isolated ocean platforms like oil rigs, or in unpopulated areas on land.
If it's not true that they can be constructed in space, then we'd probably better stop telling ourselves that it's possible.
Comment by ChrisArchitect 5 hours ago
Maine is about to become the first state to ban major new data centers
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Comment by kartika36363 5 hours ago