Study: EVs with V2H cut household electricity costs and need for home batteries

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Comment by pingou 1 day ago

But that would accelerate the vehicle's depreciation, which is costly. I suspect it would make more financial sense to have a home battery, they should have compared the prices of home batteries vs car batteries. And for the national grid effects, just charging your vehicle when electricity prices are the lowest would have mostly the same effect but would be a lot simpler.

Comment by bryanlarsen 1 day ago

In a lot of cases the battery lasts longer than the rest of the car, so wearing out the battery a little bit quicker might not affect the cars lifetime. People are getting 200,000 - 250,000 miles out of their batteries. Many cars wear out before that time, especially in parts of the country with winter and salt.

Comment by supertrope 1 day ago

If there is a net benefit for both the vehicle owner and the utility, the utility should pay the owner. A school district bought battery electric school buses with a subsidy from the utility on the purchase price.

Comment by dlcarrier 1 day ago

What really makes the most sense is reusing used EV batteries for household power.

Comment by zihotki 1 day ago

Did they take into account aging and depreciation of the vehicle battery, which is crazy expensive? It makes negative sense to use v2h with current limited cycles batteries of cars. These batteries are optimized for charging speed and power density.

There are much more cheaper and better suited batteries for houses built using other chemistries, they are bigger and heavier and that's fine for a house as long as they live 10y+.

Comment by dyauspitr 1 day ago

Most of these batteries are on full warranty for 8-10 years. You should definitely make full use of it during that period.

Comment by zihotki 1 day ago

Read the fine print - there is usually a limitation on charging cycles. So battery can be out of warranty even if it's 3 years old but reached limit on charging cycles.

Comment by dyauspitr 22 hours ago

It’s not. For my ford it is 8 years or 100,000 miles whichever comes first. It’s not about cycles.

Comment by lostmsu 1 day ago

How are cycles counted if the battery is not drained fully?

Comment by ragebol 1 day ago

Does that warranty still apply if the battery is used for other applications besides it's core function of powering the car?

Comment by zihotki 1 day ago

The car battery warranty is often for X years or Y cycles, whatever comes first.

Comment by ragebol 1 day ago

Yeah, I guessed so. Using it as a home battery with incur a lot more cycles I suppose. Although if the battery is large enough so that a day of powering a home only drains the battery eg. 10%, how does that factor into the cycle count? Is that somewhere in the small print maybe?

Comment by dyauspitr 22 hours ago

I would look at your warranty, mine is 8 years or 100,000 miles. It doesn’t have a cycles stipulation.

Comment by thelastgallon 1 day ago

V2G is what we should focus on. Tens (eventually hundreds) of millions of EVs soaking up free power that is being curtailed during the day, supplying power back to the grid later in the evening at peak prices, replacing peaker plants.

Comment by dangus 1 day ago

The success of V2H partially depends on it being a technology that’s not just for nerds. It has to be something where the user just plugs in to their house and doesn’t have to think about it. Their energy use is optimized and their vehicle is charged up for the next day.

The other part of this is that all these things sound great, but single family homes with cars as the primary method of transport is a losing strategy for global sustainability. The best way to reduce global oil consumption is to reduce the number of trips people choose to take with cars.

Electric cars, V2H, that stuff is all something of a band-aid compared to building infrastructure that makes it safe and convenient for me to cycle to work or take the bus.

Even in the United States where single family homes are probably more prominent than anywhere else, something like 40% of people don’t live in a single family home.

Comment by supertrope 1 day ago

This is the real ultimate solution to energy security and climate change. However there are many entrenched interests behind car culture. Auto manufacturers. Auto parts suppliers. Car dealers. The banks that sell car loans. Car insurance companies. Oil companies. The majority of governments and voters are okay with spending trillions on highways, roads, and parking. But ask them to upgrade public transit into something useful instead of an awful quality social welfare service and the anti-tax forces come out in force.

Comment by dwood_dev 1 day ago

I'm looking at a new car later this year. The limited options for V2H are disappointing.

Comment by soco 1 day ago

As far as I know, in Switzerland they are (still?) blocked by law, might be some market protection or something...

Comment by senectus1 21 hours ago

I dont understand this concept.

I mean.. yeah in distaster situations when there is no power.. sure useful.

but for every other day why would you "burn fuel" for mobility (the car) to power your house?

it seems like a very stupid idea.