Somebody used spoofed ADSB signals to raster the meme of JD Vance
Posted by wubin 22 hours ago
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Comment by paulirish 20 hours ago
- https://globe.adsb.fi/?icao=adfdf9&lat=26.678&lon=-80.030&zo...
- https://adsb.lol/?icao=adfdf9&lat=26.678&lon=-80.030&zoom=14...
Relevant discussion on r/adsb: https://www.reddit.com/r/ADSB/comments/1qp3q9n/interesting/ where they note it's also absent on FR24, airplanes.live, and theairtraffic.com.
The adsb-x feeder map: https://map.adsbexchange.com/mlat-map/ They probably won't have a hard time identifying who contributed that data.
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Juvenile times call for juvenile measures. In case you haven’t noticed, the US is being run by a bunch of arrested development high school bullies. Juvenile is one of the only languages they understand.
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Vance however is the real deal. May god/science help us all if Trump ever has his long overdue stroke.
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https://www.icao.int/sites/default/files/APAC/Meetings/2025/...
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I need to check all the work I did towards the end of yesterday. Valuable lesson. Thanks.
Comment by jjwiseman 20 hours ago
This instance of spoofing is notable for being the first that I know of that wasn't primitive vector art or text, but a raster image!
In that area of Florida multiple receivers would have picked up actual ADS-B broadcasts. ADS-B aggregators do have various anti-spoofing measures, but they're not impossible to circumvent.
The only case of actual RF spoofing of aircraft transponder signals that I know of was actually done by the U.S. Secret Service, which interfered with passenger jet collision alert systems (TCAS) by apparently broadcasting bogus signals near Ronald Reagan National Airport (KDCA): https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/aviation-flights-whi...
Comment by jjwiseman 18 hours ago
(TIS-B is a system that broadcasts ADS-B-like signals for aircraft that are being tracked by radar but either don't have ADS-B Out or otherwise might not be picked up by other aircraft with ADS-B In, e.g. maybe they're at a low altitude.)
There have been a couple other incidents with the TIS-B system. E.g. this apparent test near Dallas in 2022 that generated dozens of false targets in an interesting pattern: https://x.com/lemonodor/status/1481712428932997122 There was a similar incident around LAX several months later.
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Comment by Scoundreller 19 hours ago
But there’s so much wrong with the data: 50k ft at 80knots (ground speed!) in a 747.
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Comment by mschuster91 17 hours ago
Wait until you hear about Sporadic-E or Aurora. RF is a weird place full of natural phenomena making the impossible very possible.
Comment by Nextgrid 12 hours ago
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Comment by mschuster91 3 hours ago
Yes, radio propagation is an entire academic field to be studied :)
In addition, if you have enough receivers you can use that to run something called MLAT [1] to also pick up GA aircraft that just have a transponder but no GPS. The more the merrier.
[1] https://adsbx.discourse.group/t/multilateration-mlat-how-it-...
Comment by krferriter 14 hours ago
Comment by teiferer 13 hours ago
Why? Was anybody harmed?
Hopefully they don't find out who did this. There was never any danger, and without this kind of joke, the world would be less fun.
(Obviously it should be harder to fool critical systems, so this served also as a warning, but if you want to attack such a system, a real bad guy would do this in more subtle ways.)
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Comment by jjwiseman 19 hours ago
See https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/atc_html... for non-radar ATC procedures.
Comment by rootusrootus 18 hours ago
I do not understand what the upside is, aside from saving a tiny amount of effort and cost -- they could get the same data with more reliability by just running their own ADS-B receiver, without having a dependency on a third-party.
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Comment by mschuster91 17 hours ago
Setting up an ADS-B receiver is indeed very cheap. Less than 100$. That's what many people, both aviation enthusiasts and ham radio operators, do for fun.
The problem is, do that on an airport? You'll now need permits to install the antenna (needs to be covered in the lightning protection system and even if it's just a passive receiver probably someone needs to sign off on an antenna being added). Fire code means you'll need approval and specialized people to run the cable (you need to drill holes in fire walls). Maybe there's some law or regulation requiring approval or causing a paper trail (e.g. in Germany, all electrical appliances have to be isolation-tested and visually inspected every two years by an electrician). Doing that the proper way is an awful lot of work. And by that point, someone will notice "hey, a Raspberry Pi? An RTL-SDR stick from eBay? No way that is certified to be used in a safety critical environment", killing off the project or requiring a certified device costing orders of magnitude more money.
In contrast, a privately owned laptop, tablet or phone with the Flightaware app? No one will give a shit about it unless someone relies on FA too much, causes an incident and that is found out.
Comment by blitzar 7 hours ago
They could get uncensored data too - you dont want billionaires jets crashing into other planes because they didnt want to be tracked.
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We now have to both identify obama judges, trump judges and trump bootlickers.
Comment by jacquesm 21 hours ago
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=adfdf9&lat=26.678&lon=-...
Comment by nshireman 20 hours ago
There it is. Someone running a fake feeder uploaded fake data. No spoofed signals were actually sent over the radio.
Comment by belter 21 hours ago
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...
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Comment by userbinator 18 hours ago
I think it's part of his strategy of getting on Putin's good side.
Comment by jacquesm 20 hours ago
What's next? Pol Pot? Stalin? Kim?
Comment by hermanzegerman 20 hours ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/25/us/politics/trump-north-s...
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[¹] The title of the book comes from Trump remarking to Woodward that "Real power is – I don’t even want to use the word – fear."
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https://maps.app.goo.gl/fjqtAa2qgcWsJvFfA
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=adfdf9&lat=26.680&lon=-...
Comment by belter 18 hours ago
Then CPR decode them into latitude/longitude....plus plot enough spoofed positions so the point cloud forms a QR code like raster on the map, then scan the rendered pattern...you get a URL to the unredacted Epstein files.
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Comment by KnuthIsGod 17 hours ago
Everthing seems to be domestic terrorism in the US these days.
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Comment by abustamam 5 hours ago
What's almost more frightening is how many people actually buy it.
Comment by mindslight 2 hours ago
So I think the tide has long ago shifted, which makes sense what with the terror gangs executing Americans and all. The question is how we can organize into meaningful opposition when most activity happens online these days, and every non-echo-chamber forum still has extremist nutjobs who derail productive conversation.
I'd think that Congressional offices are seeing a similar dynamic too, inundated with robocalls from "constituents", the occasional untraceable threat of violence to their families if they step out of line, etc.
Comment by guerrilla 21 hours ago
Comment by randycupertino 20 hours ago
Yassified Vance, which a Republican congressman actually created and posted as a legit fan edit is also very funny: https://x.com/KatAbughazaleh/status/1841491297145634831
Comment by guerrilla 20 hours ago
Oh I thought that was the angry little man, what's his name... Ben Shapiro! (Google knew what I meant.)
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Comment by colechristensen 20 hours ago
Spamming flightaware is much less severe, but still... it's not cute to mess with life-safety critical infrastructure.
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Comment by eep_social 21 hours ago
hugged but someone caught it: https://archive.is/VrEtg
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Comment by sneak 21 hours ago
Anyone can receive it, and many do. FlightRadar and others have networks of people with receivers that forward all received packets to central servers.
The aircraft self-report location, heading, altitude, etc, so anyone can transmit packets making ghost planes.
I am somewhat surprised nobody has stashed an ADS-B spoofer near ATL or AMS that just broadcasts tracks of A380 tail numbers crossing the runways perpendicular at 500 ft AGL or something. They have primary radar, sure, but I imagine there would still be a temporary disruption until people figured out what was going on.
I think this is the first case I’ve seen of ADS-B spoofing in the wild.
EDIT: this was spoofed reports to the data aggregators via the internet, not broadcast on radio waves. I’ve still never seen or heard tell of RF ADS-B spoofing.
Comment by fc417fc802 14 hours ago
Probably because the required expertise, effort, risk, and reward ratios don't work out. You can cause a minor disturbance that isn't particularly visible and in exchange get investigated by the FBI. Seems about as wise as attempting to graffiti the front gate of a military base.
Comment by infthi 7 hours ago
(IIUC they did not actually transmit data, just fed it directly into an ADS-B receiver, but transmitting would've been trivial at this point)
Comment by pixl97 21 hours ago
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Comment by sneak 16 hours ago
Can you tell me more about the fake signals? Who sends them? Why? How often?
Comment by idontwantthis 21 hours ago
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Comment by zeeZ 21 hours ago
The spoofer could have just sent them fake location information drawing an image using latitude, longitude and altitude for color (in the default view flight paths have different colors based on the altitude of the plane at that point in time).
They could have built an antenna and actually broadcast this data, but that would be a lot more effort and most likely some form of crime.
Comment by dpe82 21 hours ago
Comment by JasonADrury 21 hours ago
They didn't actually "broadcast" anything. This was created by uploading fake data to absexchange.
Comment by HNisCIS 21 hours ago
Comment by OkayPhysicist 21 hours ago
Someone spoofed Airforce One's transponder, had it declare itself as "VANCE 1", and then fly a pattern to display the meme. Or lied to one or more of the major sites, pretending to be listening in on the ADS-B signals. It's unclear. Regardless, it's a very funny hack.
Comment by cluckindan 20 hours ago
That said, TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance System) does not operate on flight data reported by ADS-B.
Comment by esseph 21 hours ago
Viewable on FlightRadar24, etc
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Comment by esseph 4 hours ago
It is on Airplanes.live ADSB,FI,and TheAirTraffic.com. Isn't on adsb.lol or FlightRadar24.
Comment by JasonADrury 21 hours ago
on HN, mostly
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Comment by fc417fc802 14 hours ago
I think the API is secured? The entire premise is that a volunteer creates an account and uploads ADS-B telemetry. Detecting falsified data is a separate matter.
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Comment by Scoundreller 21 hours ago
Also Adsbexchange has had some… history:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ADSB/comments/10l2euc/adsb_exchange...
https://hackaday.com/2023/01/26/ads-b-exchange-sells-up-cont...
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"The Government’s interpretation of the statute would attach criminal penalties to a breathtaking amount of commonplace computer activity,” Barrett wrote. “If the ‘exceeds authorized access’ clause criminalizes every violation of a computer-use policy, then millions of otherwise law-abiding citizens are criminals."
adsbexchange is a user-generated content platform where you can submit decoded radio signals to a common database. Sending fake data to adsbexchange is as much a CFAA violation as posting hoaxes to Wikipedia or a social media platform.
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Comment by TimorousBestie 21 hours ago
Assuming the FAA has the authority to enforce ADSB requirements (an open question post-Chevron), I can’t find any regulation saying non-aircrafts cannot transmit ADSB. Only ones saying aircrafts in certain categories must.
There’s probably some non-interference requirement somewhere (FCC spectrum licensing perhaps), but I’m not seeing it immediately.
All this is in the hypothetical that RF was transmitted, which as others point out it probably wasn’t.
Comment by tjohns 18 hours ago
Whatever transmitter you're using would not be type-accepted for operation on the 1080 MHz or 978 MHz band. (47 USC § 301)
Additionally, RF operation with the intent of willful interference is inherently illegal. (47 USC § 333)
Comment by fc417fc802 14 hours ago
Also does impersonation necessarily qualify as interference? Naively, I'd expect interference to refer to jamming.
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Comment by 15155 21 hours ago
This is easily-prosecutable willful interference or possibly aircraft sabotage: ADS-B operates in licensed bands and uses an already highly-contended modulation scheme and transmission protocol.
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Comment by burnt-resistor 16 hours ago
It would be far better and more reliable to have the FAA do it by providing authoritative single source of truth as (selectively) open data rather than depend upon the whims / greed / sloppiness of an over-privatized utility. ATCs need and/or have this data anyhow, so in the future, it should be provided.
How do less neoliberal European countries do it?
Comment by habinero 11 hours ago
> It's analogous to "hobby" code running key infrastructure of the internet
I have some bad news my dude lol
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Comment by Imustaskforhelp 20 hours ago
Although I would consider that even reddit might not be enough to cause a death wall if the infrastructure behind it is organized.
There could be a software mis configuration option, I find it the most plausible option personally.
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Comment by Imustaskforhelp 20 hours ago
Most are from US or from a HN user: population, well technically switzerland iirc (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33450094) But I don't know, I feel like there are definitely times where people create two accounts on HN or more or lose access of previous or want better names (I am thinking of creating a new account on HN myself) so assume half to go through ~2.5 million users
Over the span of one decade+ year though, a lot of people completely leave the forum and so I would consider frequent users to be around ~ 1 million
Then the people who are actually active a lot of days or are weekly active or monthly active and tonight's the night (dexter reference) that they open it,I would assume ~500k users
I would consider these ~500k impressions to be an average estimate on a really really impactful HN post on front page & they all might come through say ~24 hours.
I am being more generous and assuming 500k HN impressions on 3-6 hours timeframe then technically the server just has to handle like ~46 users/sec or ~23 users/sec
But even on a really high estimate we assume ~500 users/sec
But I have seen some benchmarks of websites/frameworks/languages which are able to handle 5k-10k requests as a really low to decent estimate depending on the task
I do feel like its something that I can architect ~500 users/sec on some hetzner box most likely at max for ~30-40 usd/month or using their smallest plan with cloudflare tunnels for around I guess ~2.99 euros or 3 euros per month
I feel like its definitely possible to survive the "HN wall of death" but any of my websites haven't gone and hit this wall but if anyone of your projects or anyone can anecdotally tell me something it would be interesting & we can discuss it.
Also I have seen this one person who was able to survive this HN wall of death on a literal 780 mb alpine server using lighthttpd. Which if we are assuming racknerd or dedirock or something can get to around ~7$/yr or ~6.70-ish$/yr deal from black friday & you can get such deals on websites like lowendtalk for quite a low price.
Though these providers have comparatively low bandwidth if you actually want the cheapest somehow option and want to survive this HN wall of death. (these providfe around 1TB-2TB/month iirc)
Personally I feel like netcup (my preferred provider) / IONOS might be better options as they are still cheap while giving more lenient bandwidth or you can also find probably some really cheap high bandwidth black friday deals around the 7$/yr mark as well
I think I am getting off topic but I really like german hosting providers usually for the most part except the only thing I do hate a (little?) about them is that I have observed that they have a reputation of being exceptionally strict to the rules/some have the more ban first-ask-later approach which um might suck if your project is a little unconvential or quite frankly it can sometimes conflict with my morals as I always feel a little bit of hestitation around building around such system.
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