How London became the rest of the world’s startup capital
Posted by ellieh 23 hours ago
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Comment by fhennig 28 minutes ago
I think, to the economist, these are just SMEs and a start-up is about making money, an IPO, an exit, the unicorns. And of course London as one of the largest financial hubs will be a good place to start such a business.
But I've always thought of these "SME"-type start-ups as belonging to the start-up category too; after all they "start up" a company and often have ambitious goals and creative, tech driven approaches to solving problems. This is how I've thought it would work when I was younger, and it is how I still think it'd be good to do today, and how I'd try to build a company if I have a good idea to pursue.
Anyways, the point I want to make re the article is that I think the definition is narrow, leaves out a bunch of interesting companies, and thus skews the picture towards London. There are plenty of innovative places around Europe, it's just a different model of doing start-ups. IMO this overly financially motivated view onto the start-up world is quite a bit less interesting than a the broader (maybe harder to quantify) picture.
Comment by walthamstow 1 hour ago
There's a guy on Instagram who spins a wheel for a random country and goes to eat that cuisine somewhere in London. There are maybe 1 or 2 places in the world you can do that. It's an incredible feat of human diversity to pack hundreds of global cuisines into a 10 mile radius.
Comment by killingtime74 28 minutes ago
It's not even top 10 on most lists. Europe, Australia has way better cities.
Example Sydney, life expectancy is at least 5 years more.
The poverty rate in London, 26%, is double of Sydney at 13%.
E.g. https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2025/06/18/the...
Comment by sjtgraham 14 minutes ago
Places I have lived in: London, Santiago, Rio de Janeiro, Miami, New York, San Francisco.
Comment by fhennig 22 minutes ago
Comment by walthamstow 16 minutes ago
Have you lived in London and Sydney both, or are you just reading numbers off of Google and "best city" lists? Sydney is boring and in the middle of nowhere.
Comment by bandris 7 minutes ago
Though personally I find it pretty enough.
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Comment by kjellsbells 1 hour ago
The awkwardness for founders in London is that when they want to IPO, London doesnt have nearly as deep a pool of capital as the US, so they are potentially leaving a lot of money on the table.
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Comment by funkyfiddler369 43 minutes ago
during a game of chess: "hey why'd you make that move?"
Comment by graemep 47 minutes ago
Its cultural diversity is a plus for most people (other than people like DHH).
The big problem with London is that it is very, very expensive.
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Comment by jacquesm 6 minutes ago
VC in London is harsh, both for the start-ups and for the VCs. What does happen is that a company manages to stay alive long enough to raise a secondary round in the USA, but then you can't really make the original claim in the TFA.
Comment by noosphr 44 minutes ago
That said I don't know anyone doing a startup in London. But I know dozens in Berlin without even thinking about it.
Comment by dukeyukey 42 minutes ago
Comment by alephnerd 49 minutes ago
For example, I've funded Polish and Indian startups that chose the UK as their legal domicile because we couldn't be bothered to hire a legal team to draft a contract to Polish or Indian specifications.
Builder.ai [0] is a great example of that - it was an Indian startup that was domiciled in London to simplify raising capital from Gulf investors.
[0] - https://www.ft.com/content/926f4969-fda7-4e78-b106-4888c8704...
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Comment by fakedang 36 minutes ago
You'll get a lot of shady startups of that kind in London for this reason.
Comment by captain_coffee 35 minutes ago
Comment by quentindanjou 21 minutes ago
There are also Portugal, Spain and Romania that are rising contenders. I am also very dubious of UK being "world first"
Comment by paradox460 1 hour ago
Comment by arjie 44 minutes ago
It reminds me of the funny fact that for years I worked at a building in Bush St. that was nice but not particularly remarkable only to find out that that's where Saudi Aramco was originally headquartered when some Twitter post counted them for the Bay Area for their "Where are the top market capped public companies from?" segment.
Comment by personjerry 48 minutes ago
I grew up in Waterloo but it's just not it lol.
Comment by sp1982 1 hour ago
https://jobswithgpt.com/blog/global_software-engineering_job...
Comment by philipwhiuk 1 hour ago
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Comment by notepad0x90 7 minutes ago
For example, I couldn't even hope to get employment in tech in the UK or Europe without a degree. Work hours and wages too, less pay given the tradeoffs makes sense, but getting paid more than others for the same role is a big problem, even if you have more skill/talent/experience. Or simply working long hours on salaried jobs, with the understanding that when the spring or whatever hacking cycle is over, you can take it easier, that's hard because of the formalities, laws,etc...
Perhaps the term I'm looking for is "inflexible"?
On the other hand, the reason all of that is not a problem here in the US is "bottom-line oriented" thinking, and that ultimately leads to everything getting enshittified.
It feels like the UK and EU think they're happy with where their society is at, and they mostly want to keep things afloat? The type of thinking that goes with startups involves risk taking and experimentation outside of zones of comfort, or even outright laws sometimes.
Would all these AI companies get away with scraping the internet if they were based in the UK or EU? I'm not saying they should, I'm saying look at the big picture results vs near-term stability and comforts.
If I were British or European, I would want local and/or regional wages to be high, trade surpluses to make sense, foreign dependency to be minimal, military to be strong, so that social welfare subsidies, and all the nice pro-human laws won't require so much sacrifice. The US had been (no longer) in that position, but our deep political divisions and prevalent sub-cultures of cruelty prevented us from going that extra step and having the best of both worlds for everyone.
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Comment by renewiltord 53 minutes ago
My friend. He starts in France in 2026. The government mandates that the retiree earnings to worker earnings ratio must be fixed by law to what it was in 2025: 130%. For every employee I hire, I must also pay a retiree 1.3 times his salary. He visits me via train in 2038. I ask him how his trip was. Turns out he actually got on Deutsche Bahn train back then in 2026. I just didn't know because he spent all his time on Twitter explaining why the US approach to startups won't work. He's lucky. Pretty short delay for DB train.
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Comment by romanhn 1 hour ago
TL;DR: What London actually built is Europe’s most efficient farm system for US acquirers. The city does the expensive, risky work of finding founders, funding early rounds, and proving product-market fit. American companies wait until the risk is de-risked, then buy the winners at discounts enabled by London’s shrinking public markets.
Comment by monkeydust 1 hour ago
The Kraken story is one to follow to see if this changes...https://www.british-business-bank.co.uk/news-and-events/news...
Comment by dukeyukey 1 hour ago
That doesn't seem to be true?
Comment by alephnerd 1 hour ago
Edit: can't reply
The majority of IPOs in 2025 were in 4 markets - US, China, Hong Kong, India, and South Korea [0]. It's really hard to exit in the LSE currently, and this article is self congratulatory while ignoring major recent (past 2-3 years) mistakes that negatively impacted the entrepreneurship scene in the UK (eg. the revocation of funding for Tech Nation [1] and the ongoing leadership crisis at Monzo [2] which makes no one look good).
[0] - https://www.ey.com/en_pt/insights/ipo/trends
[1] - https://sifted.eu/articles/tech-nation-shutting-down
[2] - https://www.ft.com/content/3405c6f3-931b-4fe3-a169-a9665a132...
Comment by dukeyukey 45 minutes ago
Plus, the FTSE 100 returned 25.8% last year. That is not a shrinking market!
EDIT: I'd prefer you not change the subject away from your capital markets claim, but to address the other links:
1. I didn't say London was a top 4 IPO location, just that it's market aren't shrinking.
2. Tech Nation still exists, and still administers that visa. I don't know why you posted a very out of date article about it.
3. It's not ideal that such a high profile company is having issues like that, but hey, stuff happens. OpenAI had a whole goddamn coup and counter-coup happen!
Comment by siquick 1 hour ago
Comment by dukeyukey 39 minutes ago
Not to mention location of IPO not being all that important. But that's a whole separate thing.
Comment by alephnerd 1 hour ago
Also UK contract law is well established and it's easy to find experienced transatlantic lawyers and firms (there's a reason UK lawyers can practice in NY and why both Hong Kong and the Emirate of Dubai kept poaching judges with contract dispute into their business judiciary).
In most cases when we'd invest in a startup abroad, the founder would often structure their startup as a subsidiary of a US, UK, Singapore (especially Indian/Chinese startups), or Cayman Islands (it's a BOT so you basically get it for free) corporation.
Ironically, this ease of financial access is what makes it difficult to seed a lasting DeepTech startup in the UK because capital would often be deployed to invest in other startup ecosystems. I wrote about this before on HN as well [0][1][2]
[0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42768018
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Comment by edogrider 1 hour ago
They are not the same. The energy/resources in SF/SV are 5x at a minimum - but London has it going on.
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Comment by Quarrelsome 1 hour ago
I remember a technological mess being present at work and my team lead bringing out the classic:
> it's not ideal is it?
or the classic Jeeves and Wooster valet/aristocrat relationship with Jeeves giving it the:
> as you say sir
> very good sir
with both statements being flexible but often being delivered with the dripping subtext of "yeah that's complete bollocks".[0]
Obviously this doesn't apply to the real working classes but then those types are not the sort to gain a STEM education.
[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s03Fq1nsbng
(The full scene is around 11:30 in the first episode and I think its captures a conversation of subtext and indirectness quite well).
Comment by Oras 57 minutes ago
We say "interesting" for that
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Comment by dangus 48 minutes ago
London has a big commuting radius with strong regional transit (as maligned as it is).
Comment by blibble 38 minutes ago
yes, you can quite easily live 50 miles out and be at your desk in under an hour
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Comment by blibble 36 minutes ago
and it certainly isn't now that I'm quite a bit older, and I earn a multiple of what I did then
Comment by dangus 32 minutes ago
But yeah you’re right dude, we live in a society. We work to support ourselves. What a shocking surprise.
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Comment by colesantiago 53 minutes ago
There aren't any jobs in the UK and most are offshored to other low CoL countries.
Young people, founders are leaving for other places like Dubai, Singapore and even SF for higher paying jobs.
Comment by dukeyukey 34 minutes ago
Obviously that's just one data point, but every tech company is similar.
Comment by tremarley 54 minutes ago