Canada's Carney called out for 'utilizing' British spelling

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Comment by thomassmith65 13 hours ago

I've never heard anything about a change to British spelling. Sounds like nonsense.

Carney is the most popular politician Canada has had in decades. The opposition party is starting to fall apart (two members defected, which means Carney's party is one seat away from a majority).

Whole thing sounds like an attempt to manufacture an 'Obama beige suit' moment.

Comment by CanuckThrowAway 13 hours ago

It was used in the recent budget documents.

> Canadian English has been the standard in government communications for decades. But eagle-eyed linguists and editors have spotted British spellings — like "globalisation" and "catalyse" — in documents from the Carney government, including the budget.

Comment by thomassmith65 9 hours ago

I should clarify.

My assumption is that any instances of British spelling in the document(s) were accidental.

The petition, otoh, implies that Carney's office has adopted a policy of using British spelling.

The 'new policy' explanation is more surprising than mine.

It makes a difference.

If the conventional explanation is the right one, then this fuss is over a few minor spelling mistakes, as opposed to Carney exercising poor judgment.

Comment by jamincan 5 hours ago

Apparently it was acceptable to use s or z in words like catalyse or analyze in British English until Microsoft Word came out with a British English spellchecker that picked the s spelling as its standard. Whether this is just myth or fact seems to be a point of controversy.

Comment by roryirvine 2 hours ago

Most academic and technical writing in the UK still uses the z form, and the OED and Collins dictionaries tend to prefer it, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_spelling

In popular writing, the s forms dominate - I've not heard the MS Word explanation before, but the most popular UK-produced word processors and spellcheckers in the 1980s (eg. Locoscript/Locospell, Protext/Prospell, 1st Word) tended to come from companies in the Cambridge area or which were founded by Cambridge grads, so would naturally have used the s spellings by default.

Comment by xnorswap 1 hour ago

> Most academic and technical writing in the UK still uses the z form

'z' forms are generally used for writing for an international audience, it hasn't really caught on more generally than that.

Comment by gbil 2 hours ago

I learned British English starting in the 80s and using s whereas z was used in American English, together with tre instead of ter (eg. theatre), was a big difference. And I can tell you that MS Word back then was just not there so this sounds like an urban legend but let the British people in HN chime in.

Comment by mikestorrent 13 hours ago

The entire world has already wasted enough calories on caring about this.

Comment by triceratops 2 hours ago

So "colour" and "centre" are ok but "catalyse" is where the line is drawn?

Comment by retrac 2 hours ago

It's not a line that's crossed. It's just the standard in Canada.

In Britain, aeroplanes are made of aluminium and they have tyres. The Ministry of Defence sends them out on manoeuvres in theatres of combat, where the pilots have generally excelled due to regular practice.

In America, airplanes are made of aluminum and they have tires. The Department of Defense sends them out on maneuvers in theaters of combat, where the pilots have generally exceled due to regular practise.

In Canada, airplanes are made of aluminum and they have tires. The Department of National Defence sends them out on manoeuvres in theatres of combat, where the pilots have generally excelled due to regular practice.

Comment by wrs 1 hour ago

Small correction: In UK English, practice is a noun and practise is a verb. In America, practice is both and we don't have practise.

Comment by rottencupcakes 1 hour ago

Thanks for clarifying. I'm American and I had never heard of practise in my life.

Comment by kzrdude 1 hour ago

Same difference as licence vs license (vs licence)

Comment by bsimpson 32 minutes ago

How do you do italics in HN?

I've been here for more than a decade and can never figure out the formatting syntax.

Comment by scrlk 29 minutes ago

> Text surrounded by asterisks is italicized. To get a literal asterisk, use * or *.

See Formatting Options: https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc

Comment by ksec 19 minutes ago

This makes me wonder if Canadian use full stop or period.

Comment by _verandaguy 11 minutes ago

It's a bit of both!

"Period" tends to be used in day-to-day speech when referring to the punctuation; you'll hear "full stop" if it's meant to emphasize a previous statement (though not universally), like with "you'll do the dishes, full stop."

Comment by spaghettilegs 44 minutes ago

I love this, however, in America we write excelled. I checked with Merriam-Webster, the Oxford Advanced American Dictionary, and with ChatGPT.

Comment by retrac 32 minutes ago

Ah! Perhaps it's only words like to counsel (counseled) or to libel (libeled); up in Canada here people usually write counselled or libelled.

Comment by subarctic 48 minutes ago

Funny I'm Canadian and I thought it was aluminium and maneuvers

Comment by criddell 2 hours ago

The line is drawn where ever the public puts it.

Generally, the correct spelling of a word is determined by those that use it. Canadians have used 'colour' for a long time. If enough people start using 'color', that will eventually be the correct spelling in Canada.

Comment by IAmBroom 5 hours ago

My pearls, they are clutched!

Comment by dataviz1000 2 hours ago

But, does he use the Oxford comma?

This is as stupid as starting a war over cracking the big end or little end of an egg. Or, using whatever book was about that subject as a spelling style guide.

Comment by markdown 37 minutes ago

> But, does he use the Oxford comma?

Bro don't even joke about that

Comment by seanw444 1 hour ago

> Whole thing sounds like an attempt to manufacture an 'Obama beige suit' moment.

I'd never heard about that until now. Crazy what gets attention. Who cares what color his suit is?

Comment by TehCorwiz 1 hour ago

Let's be clear. It was never the suit's color they had a problem with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_tan_suit_controve...

Comment by wredcoll 20 minutes ago

Was it his skin color???

Comment by eru 13 hours ago

> Carney is the most popular politician Canada has had in decades.

All thanks to Trump's silly tariffs. There's a silver lining to everything. I hope that the association makes protectionism politically taboo for decades to come.

Comment by bsimpson 29 minutes ago

> I hope that the association makes protectionism politically taboo for decades to come.

I thought it already was, before Trump. I still can't believe they ended de minimus and tariffed everything.

Comment by palmotea 4 hours ago

> I hope that the association makes protectionism politically taboo for decades to come.

That is waaaay too black and white. Trump's actions != protectionism, Trump's actions ⊂ protectionism (and have been stupid). Free trade and globalization has failed most of the world in pretty serious ways (though it's been great for the much of the elite, floating on top of big piles of capital). Protectionism is important, it just needs to be conducted in a smarter way (instead of indiscriminately tariffing everyone all the sudden)

Comment by leosanchez 2 hours ago

> Free trade and globalization has failed most of the world in pretty serious ways (though it's been great for the much of the elite, floating on top of big piles of capital).

Globalization benefits capital in rich countries and labor in poor countries. As someone who is from a poor and corrupt country, I have seen many people around me come out of poverty due to globalization.

I can agree that globalization can be bad for labor in rich countries.

Edit: Ironically your comment is also waaaay too black and white.

Comment by petcat 2 hours ago

> I have seen many people around me come out of poverty due to globalization.

This is definitely true and Phil Knight of Nike fame even said that without the opportunity to join his slave workforce in Vietnam, those people would be worse off.

Comment by leosanchez 2 hours ago

> without the opportunity to join his slave workforce in Vietnam, those people would be worse off.

I am not sure if you are being sarcastic here. But without Amazon many people in my country will be worse off, however bad the working conditions maybe.

Comment by petcat 2 hours ago

Yes it is tongue-in-cheek. I know it's a good proposition for the poor people of that country. But it is pretty widely viewed as exploitative through a wider world lens.

Comment by leosanchez 1 hour ago

> But it is pretty widely viewed as exploitative through a wider world lens.

If so, I hope we get exploited even more :)

Comment by shadowgovt 1 hour ago

I remember Planet Money doing a pretty good story on this where they spoke with sweatshop workers in Bangladesh.

Relative to the labor wage of employees in the US, they were earning absolute pennies.

Relative to the places they came from? They doubled their income and were functionally free from concerns about things like famine and infected drinkable water.

Exploitation of labor is a complicated topic (and really, the meta-fight is, as is so often the case, not between nations; it's between labor and capital. Offshoring is just another form of scabbing, but the world is not yet small enough that one should expect a fresh-off-the-farm factory worker who just had their prospects opened up to join a global strike because people in the US want to make $15/hr).

(Related: As is so often the case, if you want things better for your folks back home, lift everyone out of poverty and make everyone safe. People are less likley to take "slave-wage" jobs if the alternative is not subsistence and high risk of unpredictable outcome due to localized supply disruption, disease outbreak, or war).

Comment by VWWHFSfQ 1 hour ago

It's ironic that USA lost 60-some thousand troops in Vietnam trying to prevent a communist takeover, only for American companies just to enslave them all anyway. I wonder how different the dynamic with Vietnam would have turned out if it had been more of a Korea situation. USA certainly never enslaved South Korea.

Comment by palmotea 2 hours ago

> Globalization benefits capital in rich countries and labor in poor countries.

Globalization is about benefiting capital in rich countries, any benefits to people poor countries is an unintended side-effect.

> I can agree that globalization can be bad for labor in rich countries.

It may seem that way if you restrict your view to say, China, but it's more complicated than that, and there's more to the world than the "developed world" than Asia.

For instance: IIRC, Africa has had problems with local producers getting run out of business by Chinese knock-offs (e.g. https://www.dw.com/en/how-nigeria-lost-its-textile-market-to...), without the "benefit" of foreign sweatshop employment you've seen in Asia.

My understanding is protectionism would probably be better for Africa, as cheap imports block development of local industry and agriculture, trapping it a low level of development.

Edit: And maybe the problem is worse than I understood: https://www.semafor.com/article/11/13/2025/chinas-everything...:

> China is now competing head-on not just against other advanced economies but the most vulnerable ones. In effect, it is blocking the ladder to prosperity for countries in the Global South.

> Indonesia lost 250,000 jobs in its backbone textile industry between 2022 and 2024 because of a deluge of Chinese imports, according to the Indonesia Fiber and Filament Yarn Producer Association — and another half-million may now be at risk....

> In Thailand, the Chinese export tsunami has precipitated a crisis among smaller firms making car parts, electrical equipment, and consumer goods, stoking fears of deindustrialization. Village-based cottage industries are particularly at risk; for example, makers of hand-painted ceramic “rooster” bowls have been idled en masse by Chinese fakes that sell for one fifth of the price.

> China’s exports to Southeast Asia are now larger than those to the US. Malaysia’s semiconductor industry, a key growth-engine, is feeling the pressure. Electronics manufacturers in the Philippines are struggling. Vietnam has erected tariff barriers to Chinese hot-rolled coil steel products....

> Yet China keeps piling on the trade pressure. Africa is the new hotspot for Chinese exports: In September, Chinese shipments to the continent surged 56% year-on-year. In the same month, shipments to Latin America were up 15.2%. Some of China’s exports to emerging economies, particularly in Asia, are being rerouted to the US to get around US tariffs, but they also compete with local manufacturers in those firms’ home markets, while displacing their overseas sales.

Comment by throw0101d 2 hours ago

>> I hope that the association makes protectionism politically taboo for decades to come.

> That is waaaay too black and white.

We're talking about Trump here: of course it's black and white.

> Free trade and globalization has failed most of the world in pretty serious ways (though it's been great for the much of the elite, floating on top of big piles of capital).

I don't know: extreme poverty has been driven down quite effectively AFAICT:

* https://www.gapminder.org/questions/gms1-3/

* https://www.gapminder.org/data/documentation/epovrate/

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China

Wealth inequality dropped after the Gilded Age and post-WW2 until the 1970s (in the US); nothing said it couldn't have been kept down (say, if Reagan was not elected). There's nothing inherent to free trade and globalization that should lead to it if are willing to redistribution (e.g., through taxation and social programs).

Comment by vkou 12 hours ago

> All thanks to Trump's silly tariffs

The tariffs were just half of it, the attacks on national sovereignty were the other, and Pierre being his usual shallow and despicable self on the campaign trail were the third.

If Carney (or almost anyone but PP, really) were the head of the CPC, they'd have had a majority today. But looking at where the party's going, it's doubtful that the CPC will ever again elect a leader who can both read and write.

Comment by danudey 2 hours ago

The opposition party is falling apart because, despite being a Liberal government, the Liberal party is being a better Conservative party than the Conservatives were while the Conservatives have no platform or plan other than 'Liberals bad, lol' (or, somehow, 'Trudeau bad, lol').

Comment by YC3498723948732 52 minutes ago

The first conservative MP to defect said that the caucus has a "frat party atmosphere"[1]. The last MP to defect used to be CIO at Royal Bank of Canada. My suspicion is that the conservatives are being run internally like a boys' club revolving around PP and the Liberals are having no difficulty peeling off MPs who went in expecting a professional workplace. Disaster.

1: https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/is-pierre...

Comment by thomassmith65 2 hours ago

Yes. Additionally, Poilievre's attitude is tone deaf. Canadians are fearful of and anxious about Trump's foreign policy. Most Canadian politicians have been savvy enough to know voters crave a reassuring, united front. Poilievre's combativeness is a bad fit for the current moment.

Comment by flaboonka 2 hours ago

While Poilievre is unpopular, the Conservative party has been essentially neck-and-neck with the Liberals for months. https://338canada.com/polls.htm

Comment by canadiantim 13 hours ago

Trudeau was more popular at his start, but we saw where that led us…

Comment by thomassmith65 12 hours ago

The press wrote more about Justin Trudeau, but his peak approval rating was lower than Carney's.

Comment by boringg 2 hours ago

Peak approval for Trudeau was over 64% - Carney hasn't hit that high water mark yet. Now peak to trough - I think Trudeau probably had the biggest fall.

Comment by brailsafe 1 hour ago

Using nearly the exact same rhetoric and party platform, with the exception of austerity measures. Only difference really seems to be that he knows how to pass a budget, but hasn't really offered anything substantial in terms of hope to the working age population

Comment by samdoesnothing 13 hours ago

> Carney is the most popular politician Canada has had in decades

That's just blatantly untrue?

Comment by thomassmith65 12 hours ago

I'm basing that on the Prime Ministers, anyhow.

Jean Chrétien is the most recent Canadian Prime Minister that I remember a wide spectrum of Canadians liking (and by 2000, not as much). Justin Trudeau appealed many American journalists, but only to some Canadians.

If I missed an obvious politician, I will happily concede.

Comment by a3c9 12 hours ago

By gut feeling I’d agree on Chrétien, and there is some polling on this (which I think backs that up). This article compares favourability after first election for PMs going back quite a ways and Carney looks similar but slightly worse off than Trudeau or Harper.

https://angusreid.org/prime-minister-mark-carney-first-month...

Comment by thomassmith65 11 hours ago

Well then, I concede! To stick to my guns would require us to trade competing survey results from different pollsters. That's no fun, and unsatisfying, in any case.

Comment by boringg 2 hours ago

Yeah but without that your just making stuff up and nobody wants that except you.

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Comment by thomassmith65 1 hour ago

That is reasonable, and why I conceded the point. Unfortunately, I cannot remember where the notion got into my head, and it's a bigger pain then it might seem trawling search results to find current articles with peak approval for both men.

Comment by thomassmith65 54 minutes ago

Actually.. Wikipedia to the rescue!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_prime_m...

  Highest approval rating
  1. Mark Carney — 67% (June 2025)
  2. Jean Chrétien — 66% (September 1994)
  3. Justin Trudeau — 65% (September 2016)

Comment by yifanl 2 hours ago

Justin Trudeau when he was elected was the most popular politician in the country by a lot.

Comment by thomassmith65 2 hours ago

It's a huge drag to debate this issue because multiple pollsters have published polls of both Justin Trudeau and Carney, and the results are seldom identical. Consequently, there's a lot of research involved both of polls and pollsters, and the end result won't be conclusive.

It is worth noting, polls aside, that the Carney election both finished off the NDP, and resulted in Conservative Poilievre losing his seat. And recently, Conservatives have started crossing the floor to join Carney. Justin Trudeau was popular with Liberals. Carney is generally popular.

Comment by brailsafe 1 hour ago

Justin Trudeau actually appealed to many younger Canadians as well, until he severely didn't, but that's how he got elected afaik. I don't think the numbers are out yet, but it was largely boomers who voted Carney in, everyone else that I've spoken to under the age of 40 is like "meh", and some regret voting him in after the Liberals' predictable reaction to the Air Canada strike.

Much like the rest of the g7, we have an aging population and a mega generational class divide. Our youth unemployment rate is high, jobs have dried up, it's a shitshow, and Carney hasn't tried to address this much.

So whether he's popular or not needs more context. He'd certainly be most popular with the richest and most populated generation ever, and potentially business owners, but we'll see.

Comment by YC3498723948732 59 minutes ago

To me it feels less like a controversy and more of an indication of Canada becoming more culturally European to spite the Americans.

Comment by jandrewrogers 12 hours ago

Much ado about nothing.

Due to my somewhat international career, I had to learn to code-switch between American and British English. My default is American but can do British as needed. Spelling, vocabulary, dialect to some extent, etc.

For a global audience, I find American is the best default. Nonetheless, actual Americans barely notice if you use British English-isms in American contexts. They may notice but no one cares. Everyone knows what you mean. Using British dialect may confuse them occasionally but even then no one cares. Canadians should do what is natural for Canadians.

It boggles my mind that someone from a Commonwealth country using British spelling would even warrant a news article. Why is anyone talking about this?

Comment by BeetleB 6 minutes ago

> Nonetheless, actual Americans barely notice if you use British English-isms in American contexts.

Try this in rural communities with people who dropped out of college.

Saying "note" instead of "bill" will be noticed.

Same with "petrol" instead of "gas".

Probably a whole list of others.

Comment by Enk1du 2 hours ago

Pfft. Spelling differences is minor league stuff. Try code-switching on silence.

Pointed out to me by a Kiwi, that Americans take silence after a statement to mean general agreement, but in Britain silence implicitly asks, "Are you _really sure_ you want to be doing that?"

Comment by ThrowawayTestr 2 hours ago

>Why is anyone talking about this?

A "news" article was written, doesn't mean any real people actually care.

Comment by panarchy 44 minutes ago

It usually means rich people care about stirring up pointless outrage and/or getting clicks from people making a stir about the frivolity of it.

Comment by jmclnx 2 hours ago

Where I grew up in the US, in grade school, our neighborhood school in the small city had teachers from both Quebec and Ireland. So we learned non-US spelling first. That caused a pain when I and my friends ended up in high school and had to use US spelling.

But to me, who cares, there was a time ages ago people spelt a word the way they wanted and no one cared. Just look at old documents from the 18th century in the US.

Even decades later, once in a great while, I end up using colour instead of color :)

Comment by seanw444 1 hour ago

I never grew up in a British family, or had any sort of close proximity to British things. But I still somehow ended up using "grey", "colour", and "behaviour". They just look more correct.

Comment by jmclnx 1 hour ago

Grey is an English spelling? I had no idea it was.

Comment by kens 13 hours ago

> "So far, bless him, he has not resorted to 'gaol' for 'jail.'"

Some parts of Canada inexplicably used "gaol" for "jail" until fairly recently. For example, the "Headingley Gaol" near Winnipeg. The jail has been renamed to Headingley Correctional Center, but the road to it is still Gaol Road, preserving the linguistic curiosity.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headingley_Correctional_Instit... [2] https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gaol+Rd,+Headingley,+MB,+C...

Comment by breve 12 hours ago

> For example, the "Headingley Gaol" near Winnipeg.

Why is that inexplicable? It would have originally been called that with that spelling.

Comment by joshdavham 12 hours ago

> For example, the "Headingley Gaol" near Winnipeg.

Fellow Winnipeger here! I remember driving by that sign as a kid and being baffled by that word.

Comment by realo 1 hour ago

Canada is not just english-speaking, but also french speaking. We have TWO national languages, with equal importance.

This being said, I would suspect the english word gaol comes from the french word geôle.

Comment by jeroenhd 1 hour ago

According to Wiktionary (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gaol), gaol and geôle have a common shared ancestor in Old French/Latin. It's not the result of Canada's multilingual nature.

Comment by rsynnott 45 minutes ago

I mean even in British English this is no longer common.

Comment by kazinator 9 minutes ago

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Comment by murphyslab 12 hours ago

One persistent problem is that there isn't a Canadian English spelling option in most software with spellchecking functionality. Often we are forced to choose between US English and British English spelling defaults, when neither is quite right. I suspect that this was a stylistic choice not of Carney himself, but whoever proofread the document. There has been considerable erosion in Canadian orthography in of late, which has only been made worse with the widespread adoption of UFLI English language learning materials in our schools' elementary curricula, which emphasizes American spelling and pronunciation.

Comment by jandrewrogers 11 hours ago

The reality is quite complicated. Canadian English is a version of North American English, with a distinctive pronunciation and sub-dialect, but still has vestiges of British English that are lost in America.

I feel like Canada is of two minds, awkwardly and indecisively straddling North American English and British English. It wasn’t until I worked overseas that I realized North America has a very distinctive English that imprints on people, even if they lived there a few years. As in Londoners who spent a few years in North America as toddlers have obvious North American tonality, which is baffling to me.

I have native relatives in Canada and the UK and I find the language dynamics across the anglosphere fascinating.

Comment by palmotea 4 hours ago

> The reality is quite complicated. Canadian English is a version of North American English, with a distinctive pronunciation and sub-dialect, but still has vestiges of British English that are lost in America.

Does Canadian English still use "gotten"? IIRC, that's a vestige of British English that's been lost in Britain.

Comment by ghc 2 hours ago

New Englander here. Gotten is normal vocabulary. If it's not used in British English, then it's probably a feature of North American English, since most North American linguistic differences are snapshots of common features of 16th-17th century British English that somehow ossified over here.

Edit: It appears my conjecture was correct: https://www.sarahwoodbury.com/on-the-use-of-the-word-gotten/

Comment by gpm 2 hours ago

The rest of the world doesn't consider 'gotten' a proper word?

Comment by Tiktaalik 2 hours ago

Yes (though I feel it's always had an awkward air about its use, and it feels more polite and high class to use received)

Comment by actionfromafar 2 hours ago

Except ill gotten gains?

Comment by zem 2 hours ago

> I feel like Canada is of two minds, awkwardly and indecisively straddling North American English and British English

or it's got it's own dialect, which has inherited features from both british and american english but is now evolving on its own.

Comment by lucraft 2 hours ago

I'm British and I have sometimes chosen Canadian English as my OS language so that it will not constantly try to correct my usage of z in words like this.

Comment by Waterluvian 13 hours ago

Canadian English is what you get when a country moves out of England’s attic to attend university and ends up with America as a roommate.

Comment by MarkusWandel 52 minutes ago

As an ESL immigrant, as it happens, I agree with this! Agree with sticking to a "Canadian" spelling. You'll prise the "u" in things like "colour" out of my cold, dead fingers, but just as Canada is a cultural melting pot, so is the language and spelling and the "z" in "utilize" belongs there. We're not British here, we're not 'murricans. This is Canada.

Comment by Pet_Ant 49 minutes ago

Oh god, the 'z' in everything is grating. It feels like so try-hard, and I will not utilise it.

Comment by loloquwowndueo 20 minutes ago

*pry, not prise

Comment by Izikiel43 31 minutes ago

> the "z" in "utilize"

As a native spanish speaker, the "utiliZe" spelling makes it easier for us to learn the word, as it's almost the same as the spanish version "utilizar"

Comment by helsinkiandrew 12 hours ago

He spent 7 years (2013-2020) in London running the Bank of England though - as the first foreign head in its 300+ year existence - he would have been very careful to avoid using Canadian/American spellings in official documents - has he just got used to it?

Comment by SwiftyBug 9 hours ago

Is the prime minister typing out official documents himself?

Comment by mayoff 13 hours ago

Maybe just don't utilize "utilize" or "utilise" at all. There are very few cases where utilizing "utilize" or "utilise" is better than using "use".

Comment by pitched 12 hours ago

I think they have slightly different meanings where “use” is more direct like a tool and “utilize” is more indirect like a system but that could be more about context than meaning. The words “usage” and “utilization” show this more where I would expect “usage” to be binary or integer and “utilization” to be fractional or percentage. That context and expectation is important for clear writing.

Comment by anigbrowl 12 hours ago

I agree that utilize is distinct from use, in that it makes something useful in a novel way; you might utilize a flat stone to dig, where you would otherwise use a shovel.

But I also agree with GP that many words like this are chosen just to sound more impressive, in the same way that people say 'at this time' instead of 'now.'

Comment by pitched 12 hours ago

This helped me understand what I was getting at so I’ll try explaining again now with that.

The words are typically used in two different contexts, one more professional (utilize) and one more casual (use). The words can be chosen to hint at which context we’re in or shift the context locally if needed.

For example, a story about a group of drunk guys could say that one of them utilized a flat stone to dig, to add humour since we’re clearly not in that professional context.

Comment by griffzhowl 2 hours ago

It's just different meanings. "Utilize" means to put something to a use which doesn't normally have that use.

Comment by tensor 1 hour ago

I'm sure a lot of people would like this to be true, but it's right there in the definition of use: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/use. Anywhere you can use "utilize" you can also equally use "use." One subsumes the other.

Personally, anytime I see the word "utilize" it makes me think the writer is just trying to sound smart or "put on airs." For me it has the opposite effect that the writer is trying to achieve.

Comment by derriz 12 hours ago

“Never use a longer word when a shorter one would suffice” - a “joke” repeated many times by one of my high school English teachers.

Comment by IAmBroom 5 hours ago

"The passive voice is to be avoided."

Comment by echelon_musk 2 hours ago

It doesn't have the same utility.

Comment by zem 2 hours ago

strictly better than "uze" though

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Comment by sandymcmurray 7 minutes ago

As a Canadian, I describe my country as, "Proudly Not England, Not France, and Not America, since 1867."

Comment by notatoad 7 minutes ago

as a canadian, i always thought the official canadian spelling was to arbitrarily switch between the british or american spelling of words whenever you felt like it, including interchangeably in the same writing.

Comment by mjd 14 hours ago

Asked to comment, Carney's office stated that they had told those hosers to take off.

Comment by pitched 13 hours ago

Asked to comment, Carney's office stated that they had told those buds to mind their own beeswax.

Comment by thrill 2 hours ago

Asked to comment, Carney’s office stated that they were mildly unconcerned.

Comment by zzo38computer 13 hours ago

I agree that Carney should use Canadian English. However, this does not seem like a major enough issue to me, to worry about much, nor is it important enough to fine or sue anyone or anything else like that.

Comment by kaichanvong 26 minutes ago

Once got taken to a Canadian shopping mall for books in Canada. There discovered the history of Canada in early-2000's. Now, reading the amusing headline of technology–editing software. This seems there they are now accepting this person; given their change once more? Colour spelled color is fun to discover.

Comment by kaichanvong 22 minutes ago

in edits: losing different spellings; loses more than simply identity, helpful parts of language. In 2025, AI* LLM** sure does sound amazing. * Artificial Intelligence Software ** Large Language Models

Comment by kaichanvong 16 minutes ago

you'd think text-replacement in-editors also helpful? Given auto-correct happens OK ;P

Comment by jonny_eh 2 hours ago

I wish this was the level of scandal we were dealing with in the US. Canada is so lucky to just be squabbling over spelling choices.

Comment by loloquwowndueo 18 minutes ago

Once there were like 3 police cars and a swarm of people in a neighbours driveway. Someone got shot, I thought, are we turning into America? Turns out a raccoon got stuck in a trash can and they were helping it out.

Comment by briandw 1 hour ago

Style over substance seems to be the order of the day. It would be refreshing to see people debate of substantive issues, ones that make a difference. It's a symptom of the broader crises in competence. Our leaders are chosen because they aren't good at anything, so we can only argue about their spelling and word choice.

Comment by briandw 1 hour ago

Come to think of it, why is this in HN and why am I commenting on it? The outrage trap gets me when I let my guard down. It's even come for me here on HN.

Comment by filereaper 2 hours ago

As a Canadian, we should work on improving our productivity and incorporate more automation and tooling. Whatever impacts our GDP in times of tariffs and economic uncertainty.

Not collectively waste time on the useless debates on how to spell things.

Comment by potatoproduct 1 hour ago

As a British person working for an American company, my spelling at work is an inconsistent mess.

Comment by thomassmith65 1 hour ago

Incidentally, both 'utilize' and 'utilise' are 'code smells' in writing. One can almost always go with 'use' instead which is an older and simpler word.

Comment by tuveson 1 hour ago

Over here we spell it "uze", so I think there's still some ambiguity.

Comment by j45 10 minutes ago

I had thought Canada spelled words like the UK more often than not.

Reading this, I wonder how this became an issue to become big enough to have an article written about it.

Then hearing the justifications about why it might be, in turn, pitting a few characters in text on the canadianness of a politician, or not.

If you can imagine a word processor somewhere writing this, maybe it didn't have it's language set to English (Canada)?

Some folks here have said sometimes it can feel like there might be folks trying to grasp at straws.

Comment by bawolff 41 minutes ago

As a canadian, sheesh. Don't we have better things to worry about?

Comment by ekjhgkejhgk 1 hour ago

Is "gossip news" accepted now HN, as long as the celebrities are connected to finance?

Comment by andy_ppp 2 hours ago

He did work in Britain for decades, if I was him I’d just completely own it and say something like “if this is the weak stuff they are trying to get me on I must be doing a great job with things that actually matter. Everyone, especially the people whinging about this, also make mistakes!”

Comment by robrain 24 minutes ago

British-born Canadian here. Strong spelling pedantry courses through my veins.

But... this is just the next chapter in Canadian media (ha! it mostly belongs to the southern dictatorship) having a go at non-Trumpish politicians.

Life continues.

Comment by another_twist 2 hours ago

If this is the worst this guy has done, well done Canada !

Comment by avaer 12 hours ago

It's very refreshing to see political news be about how someone misplaces their letters.

Comment by diego_moita 1 hour ago

Time for a classic Canadian joke:

Canada was supposed to have British Culture, French Cuisine and American Technology. Instead we ended with British Cuisine, American Culture and French Technology.

Comment by BeaverGoose 52 minutes ago

Why is this on hacker news exactly?

Comment by subarctic 37 minutes ago

Probably because there's a bunch of English speakers on here from Canada, the US and the UK. TBH I think it made it to the front page because of interesting discussion in the comments, not because of the content of the article itself

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Comment by throwaway613745 1 hour ago

As an old-stock Canadian (one side of my family settled in Upper Canada in 1782 because of the revolution, so I have very thick British loyalist roots)...I use British spelling. I explicitly reject the use of American English.

This is a nothing burger.

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Comment by apercu 1 hour ago

I worked in Canada for 18 years still have Canadian clients 3 years after coming back to the US, no one bats an eye over whether you use American or British spelling in documents. No one. Ever.

This is more manufactured outrage. I wish the media was not incentivized to amplify nonsense all the time.

Comment by DiogenesKynikos 55 minutes ago

> In an open letter, they asked Carney to stick to Canadian English, writing that it is "a matter of our national history, identity and pride".

A bit touchy, aren't we?

There are much better things to be proud about than using "z" instead of "s" in a few words.

Comment by zkmon 13 hours ago

If I work for a US multi-national and based out of London, and work with team members in both USA and UK, which language should I use for my emails?

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Comment by omnicognate 12 hours ago

I am also based in London. When I work for American companies I attempt to use American spellings in code and documentation, because consistency matters. For general communication I use British English because I won't get American English right, humans and search mechanisms can cope with the difference and I can express myself most effectively that way.

Incidentally, isn't "based out of" mostly an American idiom? I usually use "based on" or "based in" and find "based out of" and "based off" conjure images of poorly constructed buildings. (Don't get me started on "based off of".)

Comment by zkmon 11 hours ago

Nice catch! It never made sense to me either, to say "out of" when actually it is "in", quite the opposite. I guess I worked mostly with American companies, while educated in British English.

I think "based out of" refers to the work communication going "out of" where the person is "based in". But still, it is far cry from the natural "in".

Comment by tchalla 46 minutes ago

If you are multi-national, use where you are based in i.e. London.

Comment by ascorbic 12 hours ago

I'm in the same situation. I use American spellings for code comments, documentation and internal documents, but British spelling for chat and email.

Comment by Tiktaalik 2 hours ago

I write color when I'm talking to my American colleagues and colour when I'm talking to my Canadian ones lol.

Comment by shiroiuma 13 hours ago

If you're Canadian, working in Canada, just use Canadian English. The Americans probably won't even notice, and if the Brits complain, then just point out that you're using the proper English for the country you're in now.

This assumes your company doesn't have an official policy on the matter.

Comment by zkmon 13 hours ago

Also, he should use Times New Roman instead of Calibri.

Comment by callamdelaney 3 hours ago

How does one go to the Governor of the bank of England to the PM of Canada? Pretty much overnight?

Comment by MadnessASAP 2 hours ago

Well you start as the governor of the Bank of Canada for 5 years, then the governor of the Bank of England for another 7. After that you spend about 5 years in private finance. In parallel you spend that time acting as an economic advisor to multiple governments. Then the day comes where a major party needs a new leader, all the existing senior leadership either doesnt want it or is some manner of "problematic" and anyways, its not like they're going to win. Then whaddaya know, turns out Canadians like the idea of someone whose spent their whole life in macroeconomics at a time when global economics are all kinds of fucked up.

So it wasn't overnight, but it was a case of just the right person at just the right time.

Comment by pbalau 2 hours ago

5 years is overnight?

Comment by ThrowawayTestr 2 hours ago

Be the leader of the liberal party and not be Trudeau

Comment by MeteorMarc 2 hours ago

Really, what is under the bonnet in Canadian policy making?

Comment by crossroadsguy 10 hours ago

And the gen-text-speak will conquer all with 'utlgng'.

Comment by lwansbrough 12 hours ago

An odd choice, for sure. Not much else to be said really.

Comment by shadowgovt 1 hour ago

Unlike the US, Canada does have official languages so this is very much a request that the PM comply with the law.

Comment by aceofspades19 38 minutes ago

The Official Languages Act doesn't specify which spelling or dialect you need to use for either French or English. There might be internal federal directives on which to use but its not a legal issue.

Comment by triceratops 40 minutes ago

Typos are illegal? Are the documents in Swahili or something?

Comment by worik 1 hour ago

This is a very important matter....

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Comment by tietjens 2 hours ago

Can anyone give me an example how Canadian English spelling differs from American English?

Comment by thebruce87m 41 minutes ago

> But Canadian English takes from British English in other ways, like using 'ou' in colour, rather than the American 'color'.

Comment by lawlessone 1 hour ago

>Prof Dollinger told the BBC, noting how CanWada's language has evolved from its past as a British colony.

Whos face is on the Canadian 20 dollar note?

Comment by loloquwowndueo 16 minutes ago

* whose

Comment by lawlessone 8 minutes ago

pedantic , but thank you i often get that one wrong.

Comment by loloquwowndueo 6 minutes ago

It’s topical on a thread about spelling, wouldn’t you say?

Comment by alephnerd 14 hours ago

At least in my experience in early 2000s BC we still used British spelling in grade school and all over Vancouver, the Lower Mainland, and the island (eg. Harbour Centre)

Comment by mitthrowaway2 13 hours ago

That's the Canadian spelling, which is why when you take the taxi to the Harbour Centre it drops you off at the curb, rather than the kerb.

Comment by sefrost 12 hours ago

...and what are those rubber things rolling under the taxi called in BC? ;-)

Comment by mh- 12 hours ago

That was some 4000 years ago.

Comment by joshdavham 12 hours ago

Reminds me of the legendary flow chart "How to measure things like a Canadian": https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/18xbabx/...

Comment by zahlman 1 hour ago

It's honestly more complicated than this.

Comment by WesolyKubeczek 2 hours ago

If this has to be his biggest flaw, so be it, and I envy Canada a lot.

Comment by TMWNN 12 hours ago

It's a wonder he doesn't use American spelling. Carney went to Harvard undergrad, as did his rival in the Liberal leadership contest to succeed Trudeau earlier this year before the election.

Put another way, neither Carney nor Freeland has a post-high school degree of any kind from a Canadian school.

Comment by techterrier 2 hours ago

sorry

Comment by 50208 1 hour ago

Sounds like something his opponents would use to try and gin up fake outrage. So dumb.

Comment by p1dda 12 hours ago

English is my second language and I feel free to use either 'analyze' and 'analyse'. 'Analyze' looks slightly cooler though.

Comment by catlover76 1 hour ago

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Comment by unsupp0rted 1 hour ago

It's silly for there to be such a thing as Canadian Spelling.

British spelling, USA spelling... just pick one and move on.

Ideally all English-speaking countries would go for something more phonetic, but economic power and inertia trumps simplicity.

Comment by panarchy 51 minutes ago

Everyone should use Canadian spelling as it's the intermediary between both British and USA spelling it makes the most sense for the Americans and Brits to adopt it.