Canada's Carney called out for 'utilizing' British spelling
Posted by haunter 22 hours ago
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Comment by thomassmith65 13 hours ago
Carney is the most popular politician Canada has had in decades. The opposition party is starting to fall apart (two members defected, which means Carney's party is one seat away from a majority).
Whole thing sounds like an attempt to manufacture an 'Obama beige suit' moment.
Comment by CanuckThrowAway 13 hours ago
> Canadian English has been the standard in government communications for decades. But eagle-eyed linguists and editors have spotted British spellings — like "globalisation" and "catalyse" — in documents from the Carney government, including the budget.
Comment by thomassmith65 9 hours ago
My assumption is that any instances of British spelling in the document(s) were accidental.
The petition, otoh, implies that Carney's office has adopted a policy of using British spelling.
The 'new policy' explanation is more surprising than mine.
It makes a difference.
If the conventional explanation is the right one, then this fuss is over a few minor spelling mistakes, as opposed to Carney exercising poor judgment.
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Comment by roryirvine 2 hours ago
In popular writing, the s forms dominate - I've not heard the MS Word explanation before, but the most popular UK-produced word processors and spellcheckers in the 1980s (eg. Locoscript/Locospell, Protext/Prospell, 1st Word) tended to come from companies in the Cambridge area or which were founded by Cambridge grads, so would naturally have used the s spellings by default.
Comment by xnorswap 1 hour ago
'z' forms are generally used for writing for an international audience, it hasn't really caught on more generally than that.
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In Britain, aeroplanes are made of aluminium and they have tyres. The Ministry of Defence sends them out on manoeuvres in theatres of combat, where the pilots have generally excelled due to regular practice.
In America, airplanes are made of aluminum and they have tires. The Department of Defense sends them out on maneuvers in theaters of combat, where the pilots have generally exceled due to regular practise.
In Canada, airplanes are made of aluminum and they have tires. The Department of National Defence sends them out on manoeuvres in theatres of combat, where the pilots have generally excelled due to regular practice.
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I've been here for more than a decade and can never figure out the formatting syntax.
Comment by scrlk 29 minutes ago
See Formatting Options: https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc
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Comment by _verandaguy 11 minutes ago
"Period" tends to be used in day-to-day speech when referring to the punctuation; you'll hear "full stop" if it's meant to emphasize a previous statement (though not universally), like with "you'll do the dishes, full stop."
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Comment by criddell 2 hours ago
Generally, the correct spelling of a word is determined by those that use it. Canadians have used 'colour' for a long time. If enough people start using 'color', that will eventually be the correct spelling in Canada.
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Comment by dataviz1000 2 hours ago
This is as stupid as starting a war over cracking the big end or little end of an egg. Or, using whatever book was about that subject as a spelling style guide.
Comment by markdown 37 minutes ago
Bro don't even joke about that
Comment by seanw444 1 hour ago
I'd never heard about that until now. Crazy what gets attention. Who cares what color his suit is?
Comment by TehCorwiz 1 hour ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_tan_suit_controve...
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Comment by eru 13 hours ago
All thanks to Trump's silly tariffs. There's a silver lining to everything. I hope that the association makes protectionism politically taboo for decades to come.
Comment by bsimpson 29 minutes ago
I thought it already was, before Trump. I still can't believe they ended de minimus and tariffed everything.
Comment by palmotea 4 hours ago
That is waaaay too black and white. Trump's actions != protectionism, Trump's actions ⊂ protectionism (and have been stupid). Free trade and globalization has failed most of the world in pretty serious ways (though it's been great for the much of the elite, floating on top of big piles of capital). Protectionism is important, it just needs to be conducted in a smarter way (instead of indiscriminately tariffing everyone all the sudden)
Comment by leosanchez 2 hours ago
Globalization benefits capital in rich countries and labor in poor countries. As someone who is from a poor and corrupt country, I have seen many people around me come out of poverty due to globalization.
I can agree that globalization can be bad for labor in rich countries.
Edit: Ironically your comment is also waaaay too black and white.
Comment by petcat 2 hours ago
This is definitely true and Phil Knight of Nike fame even said that without the opportunity to join his slave workforce in Vietnam, those people would be worse off.
Comment by leosanchez 2 hours ago
I am not sure if you are being sarcastic here. But without Amazon many people in my country will be worse off, however bad the working conditions maybe.
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Comment by leosanchez 1 hour ago
If so, I hope we get exploited even more :)
Comment by shadowgovt 1 hour ago
Relative to the labor wage of employees in the US, they were earning absolute pennies.
Relative to the places they came from? They doubled their income and were functionally free from concerns about things like famine and infected drinkable water.
Exploitation of labor is a complicated topic (and really, the meta-fight is, as is so often the case, not between nations; it's between labor and capital. Offshoring is just another form of scabbing, but the world is not yet small enough that one should expect a fresh-off-the-farm factory worker who just had their prospects opened up to join a global strike because people in the US want to make $15/hr).
(Related: As is so often the case, if you want things better for your folks back home, lift everyone out of poverty and make everyone safe. People are less likley to take "slave-wage" jobs if the alternative is not subsistence and high risk of unpredictable outcome due to localized supply disruption, disease outbreak, or war).
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Comment by palmotea 2 hours ago
Globalization is about benefiting capital in rich countries, any benefits to people poor countries is an unintended side-effect.
> I can agree that globalization can be bad for labor in rich countries.
It may seem that way if you restrict your view to say, China, but it's more complicated than that, and there's more to the world than the "developed world" than Asia.
For instance: IIRC, Africa has had problems with local producers getting run out of business by Chinese knock-offs (e.g. https://www.dw.com/en/how-nigeria-lost-its-textile-market-to...), without the "benefit" of foreign sweatshop employment you've seen in Asia.
My understanding is protectionism would probably be better for Africa, as cheap imports block development of local industry and agriculture, trapping it a low level of development.
Edit: And maybe the problem is worse than I understood: https://www.semafor.com/article/11/13/2025/chinas-everything...:
> China is now competing head-on not just against other advanced economies but the most vulnerable ones. In effect, it is blocking the ladder to prosperity for countries in the Global South.
> Indonesia lost 250,000 jobs in its backbone textile industry between 2022 and 2024 because of a deluge of Chinese imports, according to the Indonesia Fiber and Filament Yarn Producer Association — and another half-million may now be at risk....
> In Thailand, the Chinese export tsunami has precipitated a crisis among smaller firms making car parts, electrical equipment, and consumer goods, stoking fears of deindustrialization. Village-based cottage industries are particularly at risk; for example, makers of hand-painted ceramic “rooster” bowls have been idled en masse by Chinese fakes that sell for one fifth of the price.
> China’s exports to Southeast Asia are now larger than those to the US. Malaysia’s semiconductor industry, a key growth-engine, is feeling the pressure. Electronics manufacturers in the Philippines are struggling. Vietnam has erected tariff barriers to Chinese hot-rolled coil steel products....
> Yet China keeps piling on the trade pressure. Africa is the new hotspot for Chinese exports: In September, Chinese shipments to the continent surged 56% year-on-year. In the same month, shipments to Latin America were up 15.2%. Some of China’s exports to emerging economies, particularly in Asia, are being rerouted to the US to get around US tariffs, but they also compete with local manufacturers in those firms’ home markets, while displacing their overseas sales.
Comment by throw0101d 2 hours ago
> That is waaaay too black and white.
We're talking about Trump here: of course it's black and white.
> Free trade and globalization has failed most of the world in pretty serious ways (though it's been great for the much of the elite, floating on top of big piles of capital).
I don't know: extreme poverty has been driven down quite effectively AFAICT:
* https://www.gapminder.org/questions/gms1-3/
* https://www.gapminder.org/data/documentation/epovrate/
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China
Wealth inequality dropped after the Gilded Age and post-WW2 until the 1970s (in the US); nothing said it couldn't have been kept down (say, if Reagan was not elected). There's nothing inherent to free trade and globalization that should lead to it if are willing to redistribution (e.g., through taxation and social programs).
Comment by vkou 12 hours ago
The tariffs were just half of it, the attacks on national sovereignty were the other, and Pierre being his usual shallow and despicable self on the campaign trail were the third.
If Carney (or almost anyone but PP, really) were the head of the CPC, they'd have had a majority today. But looking at where the party's going, it's doubtful that the CPC will ever again elect a leader who can both read and write.
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1: https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/is-pierre...
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Comment by samdoesnothing 13 hours ago
That's just blatantly untrue?
Comment by thomassmith65 12 hours ago
Jean Chrétien is the most recent Canadian Prime Minister that I remember a wide spectrum of Canadians liking (and by 2000, not as much). Justin Trudeau appealed many American journalists, but only to some Canadians.
If I missed an obvious politician, I will happily concede.
Comment by a3c9 12 hours ago
https://angusreid.org/prime-minister-mark-carney-first-month...
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Comment by thomassmith65 54 minutes ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_prime_m...
Highest approval rating
1. Mark Carney — 67% (June 2025)
2. Jean Chrétien — 66% (September 1994)
3. Justin Trudeau — 65% (September 2016)Comment by yifanl 2 hours ago
Comment by thomassmith65 2 hours ago
It is worth noting, polls aside, that the Carney election both finished off the NDP, and resulted in Conservative Poilievre losing his seat. And recently, Conservatives have started crossing the floor to join Carney. Justin Trudeau was popular with Liberals. Carney is generally popular.
Comment by brailsafe 1 hour ago
Much like the rest of the g7, we have an aging population and a mega generational class divide. Our youth unemployment rate is high, jobs have dried up, it's a shitshow, and Carney hasn't tried to address this much.
So whether he's popular or not needs more context. He'd certainly be most popular with the richest and most populated generation ever, and potentially business owners, but we'll see.
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Comment by jandrewrogers 12 hours ago
Due to my somewhat international career, I had to learn to code-switch between American and British English. My default is American but can do British as needed. Spelling, vocabulary, dialect to some extent, etc.
For a global audience, I find American is the best default. Nonetheless, actual Americans barely notice if you use British English-isms in American contexts. They may notice but no one cares. Everyone knows what you mean. Using British dialect may confuse them occasionally but even then no one cares. Canadians should do what is natural for Canadians.
It boggles my mind that someone from a Commonwealth country using British spelling would even warrant a news article. Why is anyone talking about this?
Comment by BeetleB 6 minutes ago
Try this in rural communities with people who dropped out of college.
Saying "note" instead of "bill" will be noticed.
Same with "petrol" instead of "gas".
Probably a whole list of others.
Comment by Enk1du 2 hours ago
Pointed out to me by a Kiwi, that Americans take silence after a statement to mean general agreement, but in Britain silence implicitly asks, "Are you _really sure_ you want to be doing that?"
Comment by ThrowawayTestr 2 hours ago
A "news" article was written, doesn't mean any real people actually care.
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Comment by jmclnx 2 hours ago
But to me, who cares, there was a time ages ago people spelt a word the way they wanted and no one cared. Just look at old documents from the 18th century in the US.
Even decades later, once in a great while, I end up using colour instead of color :)
Comment by kens 13 hours ago
Some parts of Canada inexplicably used "gaol" for "jail" until fairly recently. For example, the "Headingley Gaol" near Winnipeg. The jail has been renamed to Headingley Correctional Center, but the road to it is still Gaol Road, preserving the linguistic curiosity.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headingley_Correctional_Instit... [2] https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gaol+Rd,+Headingley,+MB,+C...
Comment by breve 12 hours ago
Why is that inexplicable? It would have originally been called that with that spelling.
Comment by joshdavham 12 hours ago
Fellow Winnipeger here! I remember driving by that sign as a kid and being baffled by that word.
Comment by realo 1 hour ago
This being said, I would suspect the english word gaol comes from the french word geôle.
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Comment by jandrewrogers 11 hours ago
I feel like Canada is of two minds, awkwardly and indecisively straddling North American English and British English. It wasn’t until I worked overseas that I realized North America has a very distinctive English that imprints on people, even if they lived there a few years. As in Londoners who spent a few years in North America as toddlers have obvious North American tonality, which is baffling to me.
I have native relatives in Canada and the UK and I find the language dynamics across the anglosphere fascinating.
Comment by palmotea 4 hours ago
Does Canadian English still use "gotten"? IIRC, that's a vestige of British English that's been lost in Britain.
Comment by ghc 2 hours ago
Edit: It appears my conjecture was correct: https://www.sarahwoodbury.com/on-the-use-of-the-word-gotten/
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or it's got it's own dialect, which has inherited features from both british and american english but is now evolving on its own.
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Comment by Izikiel43 31 minutes ago
As a native spanish speaker, the "utiliZe" spelling makes it easier for us to learn the word, as it's almost the same as the spanish version "utilizar"
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Comment by anigbrowl 12 hours ago
But I also agree with GP that many words like this are chosen just to sound more impressive, in the same way that people say 'at this time' instead of 'now.'
Comment by pitched 12 hours ago
The words are typically used in two different contexts, one more professional (utilize) and one more casual (use). The words can be chosen to hint at which context we’re in or shift the context locally if needed.
For example, a story about a group of drunk guys could say that one of them utilized a flat stone to dig, to add humour since we’re clearly not in that professional context.
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Comment by tensor 1 hour ago
Personally, anytime I see the word "utilize" it makes me think the writer is just trying to sound smart or "put on airs." For me it has the opposite effect that the writer is trying to achieve.
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Not collectively waste time on the useless debates on how to spell things.
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Comment by j45 10 minutes ago
Reading this, I wonder how this became an issue to become big enough to have an article written about it.
Then hearing the justifications about why it might be, in turn, pitting a few characters in text on the canadianness of a politician, or not.
If you can imagine a word processor somewhere writing this, maybe it didn't have it's language set to English (Canada)?
Some folks here have said sometimes it can feel like there might be folks trying to grasp at straws.
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But... this is just the next chapter in Canadian media (ha! it mostly belongs to the southern dictatorship) having a go at non-Trumpish politicians.
Life continues.
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Canada was supposed to have British Culture, French Cuisine and American Technology. Instead we ended with British Cuisine, American Culture and French Technology.
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This is a nothing burger.
Comment by apercu 1 hour ago
This is more manufactured outrage. I wish the media was not incentivized to amplify nonsense all the time.
Comment by DiogenesKynikos 55 minutes ago
A bit touchy, aren't we?
There are much better things to be proud about than using "z" instead of "s" in a few words.
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Comment by omnicognate 12 hours ago
Incidentally, isn't "based out of" mostly an American idiom? I usually use "based on" or "based in" and find "based out of" and "based off" conjure images of poorly constructed buildings. (Don't get me started on "based off of".)
Comment by zkmon 11 hours ago
I think "based out of" refers to the work communication going "out of" where the person is "based in". But still, it is far cry from the natural "in".
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This assumes your company doesn't have an official policy on the matter.
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So it wasn't overnight, but it was a case of just the right person at just the right time.
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Whos face is on the Canadian 20 dollar note?
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Put another way, neither Carney nor Freeland has a post-high school degree of any kind from a Canadian school.
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Comment by unsupp0rted 1 hour ago
British spelling, USA spelling... just pick one and move on.
Ideally all English-speaking countries would go for something more phonetic, but economic power and inertia trumps simplicity.
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