SPhotonix – 360TB into 5-inch glass disc with femtosecond laser

Posted by peter_d_sherman 13 hours ago

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Comment by biglyburrito 10 hours ago

"According to SPhotonix, its current prototypes achieve write speeds of around 4 MBps and read speeds of roughly 30 MBps."

Assuming I did the math right, that means it'd take almost 3 years at max write speed to fill up the 360TB drive. So yeah, not quite ready for public consumption just yet.

Comment by rbanffy 57 minutes ago

With these numbers the use cases seem limited to small batches of data that need the extreme durability, but to fully use this durability, you'd need to launch your archives to highly eliptical orbits that would take them to the further reaches of the solar system, because the Sun will be a white dwarf long before the warranty expires.

Comment by toomuchtodo 9 hours ago

Lots of archival applications that can use this today at these speeds, assuming you’re staging the data like you would for tape. It’s slow, but permanent from a longevity perspective. You could fit 200PB of the Internet Archive in ~600 of these 5 inch glass discs. Hopefully speeds improve, along with infra to treat the media similar to an automated tape library.

Comment by rbanffy 54 minutes ago

> You could fit 200PB of the Internet Archive in ~600 of these 5 inch glass discs

It'll only take 900 years to write using a single drive. ;-)

I'll need to be at least as fast (a 100x speedup) and at least as compact as LTO.

Comment by fasteo 3 hours ago

It might have a place in its current state,as far as write speed goes

war and peace[1] is 3.2 MB in the plain text version, so it will take less than a second to store it.

[1] https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2600

Comment by ycui1986 11 hours ago

they claim to increase the speed to 500Mbps in 3-5 years. but femtosecond laser is not semiconductor. there is no exponential scaling law.

femtosecond laser has been running at 80MHz for decades, they cannot just talk to the laser manufacture and ask them casually to increase that to 500MHz or above. so, it is better to take a grain of salt of the claim speed can be increase to 500Mbps in 5 years.

The cost of the femtosecond laser also won't come down easily either. At $75k a pop for the laser alone, who can afford such technology?

Comment by summa_tech 11 hours ago

We have GHz femtosecond lasers. It's commercialized! Amplitude Systemes has them for sale! We build time references out of them!

You can also make them out of semiconductors. VCSELs and other semiconductor gain media naturally have short upper state lifetimes. It makes for a happy stable femtosecond laser with a semiconductor saturable absorber.

Comment by ranger_danger 10 minutes ago

According to Amplitude's website, they are "GHz Burst" lasers that have a max repetition rate of 2 MHz, so I don't think that would be very practical for storage media.

Comment by aydyn 10 hours ago

My guess is their plan is to multiplex the laser. How many lasers can be reading/writing at the same time?

Comment by spott 11 hours ago

Multiplex the sensor?

Split the laser into 7 ish spots and read all of them at once?

That doesn’t sound that hard…

Comment by jckahn 10 hours ago

Please never become a product manager.

Comment by reactordev 10 hours ago

So cool yet so slow…

Maybe someday we’ll get Star Trek style clear “chips” that store our information and can be read at Gbps speeds.

Soon. Someday soon.

Comment by enzosaba 4 hours ago

This would be good to dump the internet onto a disk and preserve it for the eternity. Something that Elon Musk would like; he wants to send its grokipedia to space.

Comment by rbanffy 51 minutes ago

If any alien race gets a copy of Grokipedia, we are doomed.

Comment by mrbluecoat 10 hours ago

Sigh, where's my hologram hard drive?

Comment by coro365 8 hours ago

I'd love to see lower-density glass storage made with home laser engravers. Something like 50GB per 5in^2.

Comment by rbanffy 53 minutes ago

It could track the largest HDDs - 20TB on a 3.5" slab.

Comment by typpilol 11 hours ago

Sounds cool for long term data storage, but they need to get the read write speeds up.

4mbps write and 30mbps read is extremely slow. Even if they achieve their roadmap 500mbps is still slow compared to modern drives.

Better not keep any data you need access to within like 90 days on it or you're toast.

What market is this even aiming for? Bitcoiners?

Comment by dummydummy1234 11 hours ago

Long term storage, along the lines of tape replacement/supplement?

There are plenty of things that need to be archived in a basement and never read unless the more readily available forms get corrupted.

Having the ability to say as long as the item exists the data exists is valuable, especially with not having to worry about degradation (which happens with tapes/flash/hard drives)

The ability to say that the data is good.

Comment by abound 11 hours ago

> 4mbps write and 30mbps read is extremely slow.

It's even slower when you consider the 360 TB capacity -- it'd take nearly three years to write to the whole thing.

Comment by qdotme 11 hours ago

The better question is the seek latency. The bandwidth for read isn’t too horrible, if the seeks can be kept within reason. This is somewhere between tapes and actual pressed optical media (not dyed /re/writeable). Should seek way faster than tape (maybe even on par with BluRay) and 30Mbps read is manageable for doomsday scenarios.

Long term databanks. Libraries. GitHub’s archive bunkers. Microfilm replacements.

Comment by ycui1986 11 hours ago

at theoretical perspective, if the X-Y plane can be addressed with 16-bit DAC by controlling laser deflection. then to seek any data with in a 4GB address space will have typical latency of 300us with the latest laser scanning technology.

I am not aware any laser scanning technology that can do 16-bit accuracy that has no moving part. so, fundamentally, this is a storage technology with mechanical addressing.

laser can be scanned by acoustic wave, but that itself lack the beam pointing accuracy. the ultrasonic drive frequency will limit how fast is can deflects the laser beam.

Comment by netsharc 11 hours ago

Had to go back to the article to see the actual speed units. Above commenter meant MBps (Megabytes/second), not millibits/seconds nor megabits/second.